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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2023 12:51 am    Post subject: Dick Cathcart cornet Reply with quote

https://youtu.be/9QzObxFuDNM?si=9V_PWdbDrMPQMxxG

Hello guys , do you now what cornet plays Dick Cathcart in this video , at some point Charlie Parlato plays the second part with the same (i guess) horn and both have a wonderful fat american type cornet sound , i suspect that is a Connstellation 38A or a King supersonic.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2023 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Based on the position of the adjustable third slide ring mount (with the locking screw going in on top), I'd say it's not a Conn (and certainly not a Connstellation 38A). It's much more likely a King Silversonic; I can't see the tuning slide configuration thanks to Mr. Cathcart's left hand, but the downturn of the leaderpipe certainly drops low enough to allow the "underslung" tuning slide characteristic of the Silvertone and Silversonic.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2023 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If we take in cociderasion that silver bells was designed for recording sessions i believe that you are right.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2023 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Halflip wrote:
Based on the position of the adjustable third slide ring mount (with the locking screw going in on top), I'd say it's not a Conn (and certainly not a Connstellation 38A). It's much more likely a King Silversonic; I can't see the tuning slide configuration thanks to Mr. Cathcart's left hand, but the downturn of the leaderpipe certainly drops low enough to allow the "underslung" tuning slide characteristic of the Silvertone and Silversonic.


Looking at other videos of him playing, the tuning slide is a conventional style and not underslung.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2023 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So it could be a Connstellation?

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2023 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

giakara wrote:
So it could be a Connstellation?

No. Regardless of the leaderpipe/main tuning slide configuration, the Connstellation 38A has the locking screw for the third slide finger ring on the side of the receiver box, not on the top (as is clearly visible in the video you provided).

Plus, see my post directly below.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2023 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richard III wrote:
Looking at other videos of him playing, the tuning slide is a conventional style and not underslung.

Could he be playing a different cornet in the other videos? Perhaps you could provide a link to the other videos?

In this video, we get a clear look at the left side of his cornet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g26noDAw15U

Looks like an underslung King to me. It's very clear at 1:58 into the video, especially if you expand the video to full screen.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2023 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first video has two cornets and the second player has a moment where we can see the underslung tubing. A nice performance!

The second video, Chanson d'Amour with the Lennon Sisters, is much clearer. They really really zoom in on his fingers--important! Remember to manicure before gigs, please.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2023 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oncewasaplayer wrote:
The first video has two cornets and the second player has a moment where we can see the underslung tubing. A nice performance!

The second video, Chanson d'Amour with the Lennon Sisters, is much clearer. They really really zoom in on his fingers--important! Remember to manicure before gigs, please.



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2023 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Halflip wrote:
Richard III wrote:
Looking at other videos of him playing, the tuning slide is a conventional style and not underslung.

Could he be playing a different cornet in the other videos? Perhaps you could provide a link to the other videos?

In this video, we get a clear look at the left side of his cornet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g26noDAw15U

Looks like an underslung King to me. It's very clear at 1:58 into the video, especially if you expand the video to full screen.


In this video is clear that is a King Silvertone or a horn with the same wrap.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a King 1065S Super-20 Silversonic cornet. made 1950-1965+
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richard III, that's clearly a different cornet than the one in the videos giakara and I referenced. The third slide ring mount is on the side there, almost like a Martin Committee.

There's nothing saying that Mr. Cathcart can't have multiple horns for different purposes. In this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CERNv9m4iwU

he is playing a trumpet (looks like a Benge).
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trumpet or cornet this guy is one of my favorites players !!!


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’m a big Jack Webb fan and first encountered Dick Cathcart on Jack’s radio show Pete Kelly’s Blues and the feature film. He was also in the Dragnet film in the 50s. Jack was a huge fan of cornet jazzers and he couldn’t have picked a better one than Dick Cathcart.
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