View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
ramado24@clarkston.k12.mi Regular Member
Joined: 19 Dec 2023 Posts: 28
|
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2023 1:27 pm Post subject: Third Valve slide stop |
|
|
Hello, I have a brand new yamaha 8335 kangakki and it has two places to put the screw that stops the third valve slide from falling out. Does anyone know why? _________________ An indescribable passion, everyone's yearning to create music (yamaha 8335 II rkg) |
|
Back to top |
|
|
kaitp Regular Member
Joined: 08 Aug 2023 Posts: 15 Location: Japan Hokkaido
|
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2023 8:07 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I think I saw an explanation on the Yamaha website a while back that the position of the screw changes the blowing comfort. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
trpthrld Heavyweight Member
Joined: 09 Mar 2007 Posts: 4810
|
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2023 9:12 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Not being familiar at all with this model, I did some Internet searching. Went to the Sweetwater site for their descriptions and stuff.
I didn't see in any pictures nor was there anything in the written descriptions about two different locations for the 3rd slide stop screw. Would you please post a couple of pics of that?
However, there was something that really got my curiosity up. In the written description, it says "You'll appreciate how easy it is to fine-tune the YTR-8335IIRKG's blowing resistance, courtesy of this horn's first slide button..."
I looked as best I could on the pictures and I didn't see anything that looked like a "button." There's the thumb ring for adjusting the first slide position, but no button. And I also have no idea how adjusting a button could affect the blowing resistance of the horn.
Do they mean that the brace between the bottom bell section and the first tuning slide is movable? If so, that's a Bob Malone thing from back in his LA custom work days. And yes - I know Bob is with Yamaha now. One of my horns had the last valve alignment he did before leaving LA.
Anyway....just curious. Any legit explanations are appreciated.
www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/YTR8335IIRKG--yamaha-ytr-8335iirkg-ln-kangakki-limited-edition-xeno-trumpet _________________ Tim Wendt
www.trumpetherald.com/marketplace.php?task=detail&id=146827&s=The-Best-Trumpet-Lead-Pipe-Swab-EVER--
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPWAJqghk24&feature=youtu.be |
|
Back to top |
|
|
kaitp Regular Member
Joined: 08 Aug 2023 Posts: 15 Location: Japan Hokkaido
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
dschwab Heavyweight Member
Joined: 06 Sep 2004 Posts: 518
|
Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2023 6:24 am Post subject: |
|
|
It changes the resistance. Move the screw from outside to between the tubes and the resistance will increase.
And the "button" on the first slide refers to the nib that wasn't present on the gen I zenos. Zeno II gets the nib. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
trpthrld Heavyweight Member
Joined: 09 Mar 2007 Posts: 4810
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
dschwab Heavyweight Member
Joined: 06 Sep 2004 Posts: 518
|
Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2023 11:53 am Post subject: |
|
|
No, the nib is the little metal “button” soldered onto the curved part of the slide to aid in pulling it out. It isn’t adjustable, I think that was a marketing person not knowing what they were talking about. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
trpthrld Heavyweight Member
Joined: 09 Mar 2007 Posts: 4810
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
ramado24@clarkston.k12.mi Regular Member
Joined: 19 Dec 2023 Posts: 28
|
Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2023 2:35 pm Post subject: |
|
|
[/img]file:///media/fuse/drivefs-fef2102396b64cdbc3997d7461bd4e5e/root/IMG_7431.jpg
I hope that works, it's a photo of what I'm talking about. The second screw position is further down but it is also on the outside of the slide so I don't think that its sole purpose is to limit how far out the valve gets kicked. Thoughts? _________________ An indescribable passion, everyone's yearning to create music (yamaha 8335 II rkg) |
|
Back to top |
|
|
zaferis Heavyweight Member
Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Posts: 2333 Location: Beavercreek, OH
|
Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2023 4:08 pm Post subject: |
|
|
One is the "normal" position which stops the slide just beyond normal use i.e for "full" extension to play a C# in tune.. the second stop is far enough out that you can, in combination with the first valve slide, get enough extension to play the low F (needed for a couple of orchestral excerpts). Akin to some of the Artisan Bachs coming with an extra long stop rod.
Additionally, you may notice a difference in "feel" depending upon which place the stop screws is placed. It's subtle, but anytime you add or move even the smallest of weights, things change. _________________ Freelance Performer/Educator
Adjunct Professor
Bach Trumpet Endorsing Artist
Retired Air Force Bandsman |
|
Back to top |
|
|
dschwab Heavyweight Member
Joined: 06 Sep 2004 Posts: 518
|
Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2023 6:16 pm Post subject: |
|
|
dschwab wrote: | It changes the resistance. Move the screw from outside to between the tubes and the resistance will increase. |
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
dstpt Heavyweight Member
Joined: 14 Dec 2005 Posts: 1286
|
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:59 am Post subject: |
|
|
dschwab wrote: | dschwab wrote: | It changes the resistance. Move the screw from outside to between the tubes and the resistance will increase. |
|
Years ago (2007?) I bought a gently used Yamaha Chicago C, but it was a little resistant in the blow compared to my years with various Bachs and a Callet C. I contacted Wayne Tanabe in NYC, and he had me send it to him for an adjustment that he said would be reversible. During our conversations, I asked about the placement of the stop screw on the outside of the 3rd slide, and he said that they discovered that there was a noticeable improvement in playability to have it placed to the outside. He also said that anything done to the 3rd slide or 3rd valve seemed to impact a horn more so than other areas. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
ramado24@clarkston.k12.mi Regular Member
Joined: 19 Dec 2023 Posts: 28
|
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2023 7:50 pm Post subject: |
|
|
if a shift in that little weight can affect the playability of a horn that much why not just hold it different? No way it does anything to affect the horns playability. _________________ An indescribable passion, everyone's yearning to create music (yamaha 8335 II rkg) |
|
Back to top |
|
|
|