Pls only respond if you can play this at 120 bpm

JetJaguar

Hello Friends. I'm posting this in Pedagogy because it's ultimately about arriving at a playing goal. Also I'm hoping to avoid a measure of gasbaggery.

What is the typical equipment setup for someone who has to play pieces like this for a living? What typical, common mouthpiece, trumpet bore and bell?

Please only respond if you can play this at 120 bpm.

If you're capable of playing this at speed and still want to lecture about the question itself, go ahead. But I'd really like to hear the typical setup for this kind of work. Thanks so much.

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Seymor B Fudd · Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2024 10:23 am Post subject:

This is rather common in most brass bands. Nothing special if you ask me.
Your question: the typical setup for this kind of work.
What do you mean? Horn and band or?? Not sure I understand your question.

And of course often in a wind band so cornet or trumpet. Depends.
Never thought of bell, mouthpiece.
The character of the tune, the intentions of the director etc etc.

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kehaulani · Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2024 10:23 am Post subject:

Varies, and depends on how the player responds to various equipment.

I would venture that a Benge 3X or Olds Recording would be appropriate along with something like a Bach 3C.
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I_play_trmpt · Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2024 10:57 am Post subject:

I would play this on my normal setup. Yamaha 9445 NY-YM C trumpet, Bach 1.5C 24 throat 7 backbore mouthpiece.
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mafields627 · Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2024 11:32 am Post subject:

Lawler Bb · Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2024 12:29 pm Post subject:

What do YOU want to sound like? What current or past players have the sound you’re looking for? Figure that out, then choose some equipment that helps you produce that sound.

Some folks will say Bach 37 and a 1-1/2C. Some might say Yamaha 8310Z and a 10-1/2C. Bb trumpet. C trumpet. Or millions of other combinations.
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Andy Cooper · Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2024 1:36 pm Post subject:

I'm assuming you are trying for more clarity in your articulation?

Your trumpet mouthpiece combination probably gives you a sound to die for but does not strike me as an "orchestral" set up . I took the time to listen to the Alfred arrangement- now I'll have to watch the movie again.

First do no harm - well not too much and just try out some mouthpieces

1. Bach 6BM (comes with #24 backbore and #26 throat - stock)
2. Schilke 9 (comes with a larger backbore and #26 throat - stock)
3. Bach 6 C
4. Bach 6 top and Bach 6C with a #24 backbore

(Sadly, the 6B and 6C rims, while of similar size to your 6, have different shapes.)

Oh - almost forgot - Curry makes a 6BC . A 6ish rim with B cup, #24 throat and “Schmidt” backbore. Stock piece under $70.

Maybe that's all it will take.

JetJaguar · Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:57 am Post subject:

Thanks everyone. I played it relatively well yesterday on the Martin step bore and a Bach 2. I'd been intrigued about the 2, and picked up a NOS one very cheap from The Mighty Quinn. I can play Seahawk best when I'm stone cold. Just pick up the horn and play it. No warm up. I haven't played in an ensemble for a while. I need to learn about how much to rest in order to have my chops in the best possible state.
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1938 Martin Handcraft Imperial #2 bore, 38 bell
Bach 7C mouthpiece

I'm looking for a Connstellation 5C-N or 5B-N mouthpiece
www.jazzscales.org
The Coady Strengthening Exercises: http://coady.coolwarm.com

benlewis · Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2024 8:10 am Post subject:

Glad it went well for you!

I'd play this on a Yamaha 9636 Eb; that's my go-to for more security around the top of the staff...

HTH

Ben

John Mock · Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2024 10:10 am Post subject:

This chart was played and recorded about 41 years ago by the 27th Lancers Junior Drum and Bugle Corps on G-F two valve bugles and/or more primitive single valve and rotor combination G-F bugles, and they did a killer job on this particular chart. In fact, it was one of their signature songs.

Those bugles, though I loved playing on similar models in the middle 1980's for other drum corps, were nowhere near the quality of the average pro Bb trumpet available today. The blow characteristics and tuning are just nowhere even close to a current pro trumpet--yet they played it pretty well.

So, I'm going to argue that a decent trumpet player can play this chart on anything, specifically based upon the fact that it was actually done and the recordings are out on YouTube and viewable to this day. (I just saw the 27th Lancers' 1982 show a couple weeks ago. It's the opening song of the 1982 show, so if anybody doesn't like drum corps they can skip the rest). Their tempo was 120 bpm or higher.

Mouthpieces would vary by player but Bach 3C and copies thereof were definitely used by some.
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Dayton · Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2024 4:32 pm Post subject:

John Mohan · Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:48 am Post subject:

Would you rather hear Malcolm McNabb play that piece on a dinged up dented student horn that looks like a blacksmith made it, or would you rather hear that piece played by a beginning player on a $7000 custom Trumpet with the most expensive custom mouthpiece ever made?
There’s your answer.

Best wishes,

John Mohan
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Andy Del · Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2024 6:55 pm Post subject:

There is NO typical setup. If I was sitting in. Concert band with one of my best mates playing this together (not that we would ever play in a concert band as a rule) then we would be almost indistinguishable from each other.

He plays : Bach 43 with a Toshi 1 sized mpc.
I play : Kanstul 1500A with a Monette Unity 3. Or a Prana Resonance.

Utterly different gear. Blend like the mad xxxxers we are! 😁

If one is not happy with they way it is coming out. Practice!

Cheers

Andy
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