Wow, that's wild. Great playing and fluidity with such a large range. _________________ On the road with Under the Streetlamp
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Very impressive playing and I very much like the sound. Would you care to tell us more about the horn? I’d guess the fourth valve is a Bb/F valve, but what is the fifth valve? _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
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Joined: 26 Jan 2007 Posts: 666 Location: Sao Paulo, Brazil
Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:49 am Post subject:
It was extremely challenging, especially for me, a humble non professional trumpet player... but it's a cool piece to show the horn
I had a 4 valve flugelhorn in the past but I didn't like the intonation on the low register. As an engineer, I felt that I could solve that problem...
I thought about many options
- 4 valve compensating flugelhorn, like an euphonium
- full double Bb/F flugelhorn, like a horn
- 5 or 6 valves, like a tuba
All of then are much better than a regular 4 valve, but the easiest solution by far is to add a 5th valve
The 5th valve is a "flat whole step", like on the Arnold Jacobs tuba. It's the same lenght of the first slide of a F mellophone. I use the same fingering of a 5 Valve CC tuba. _________________ Robson Adabo de Mello
1 Corinthians 14:8 (KJV)
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2024 2:47 pm Post subject:
That is really cool! Turning a flugelhorn into a tuba...maybe you could call it a fluba. _________________ Bryan Fields
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1991 Bach LR180 ML 37S
1999 Getzen Eterna 700S
1977 Getzen Eterna 895S Flugelhorn
1969 Getzen Capri cornet
1995 UMI Benge 4PSP piccolo trumpet
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:55 pm Post subject:
Super cool! Love the big, low sound out of a modestly sized instrument. I'd thought about a 4th valve flugelhorn also. How is the weight of your instrument? Did you have to make custom parts?
Truth to be told, I don’t exactly understand how you get to those very low notes. Your horn started out as a regular Bb flugel, which goes to low F#. Then you add the fourth valve, which brings it down to low C#. Add the fifth valve, which brings it down to B (or Bb?).
Is this the lowest you play or are you also using pedal tones? Or am I missing something? _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
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Joined: 22 Oct 2008 Posts: 2416 Location: Maryland
Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2024 5:23 am Post subject:
Brassnose wrote:
Truth to be told, I don’t exactly understand how you get to those very low notes. Your horn started out as a regular Bb flugel, which goes to low F#. Then you add the fourth valve, which brings it down to low C#. Add the fifth valve, which brings it down to B (or Bb?).
Is this the lowest you play or are you also using pedal tones? Or am I missing something?
I have a Getzen 4-valve flugelhorn. The 4th valve is suppose to bring you down to C#, with all 4 valves down. But the problem is that the C# is more than a half-step sharp. To make it work, I play it as 1-2-3-4 and also have to pull out both the 4th valve slide and the 4th valve dump slide.
I'll defer to Robson to clarify what he does on his 5-valve flugelhorn. But I suspect he doesn't play C# as 1-2-3-4, but instead uses 1-2-3-4-5, with the 5th also pressed down to correct the intonation problem with low C#. He may also use the 5th valve with alternate fingerings to correct intonation problems with pedal F down to pedal C#. And once he gets to pedal C, he plays it open.
Mike _________________ Bach Stradivarius 43* Trumpet (1974), Bach 6C Mouthpiece.
Bach Stradivarius 184 Cornet (1988), Yamaha 13E4 Mouthpiece
Olds L-12 Flugelhorn (1969), Yamaha 13F4 Mouthpiece.
Plus a few other Bach, Getzen, Olds, Carol, HN White, and Besson horns.
Joined: 26 Jan 2007 Posts: 666 Location: Sao Paulo, Brazil
Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2024 7:35 am Post subject:
HaveTrumpetWillTravel wrote:
Super cool! Love the big, low sound out of a modestly sized instrument. I'd thought about a 4th valve flugelhorn also. How is the weight of your instrument? Did you have to make custom parts?
Thanks a lot!!!!
The 4 valve flugelhorn is already a heavy horn. This one is a little heavier
The rotary valve came from a trumpet valve block, but there are several small custom parts _________________ Robson Adabo de Mello
1 Corinthians 14:8 (KJV)
"For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?"
Joined: 26 Jan 2007 Posts: 666 Location: Sao Paulo, Brazil
Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2024 7:43 am Post subject:
Brassnose wrote:
Truth to be told, I don’t exactly understand how you get to those very low notes. Your horn started out as a regular Bb flugel, which goes to low F#. Then you add the fourth valve, which brings it down to low C#. Add the fifth valve, which brings it down to B (or Bb?).
Is this the lowest you play or are you also using pedal tones? Or am I missing something?
Yes, you are right! I'm playing pedal tones on this piece
I use the 5th valve to improve intonation from low F# to pedal C... After that I have a extra full octave using pedal tones, from pedal C to double pedal C# (close to the double pedal C)
It's also possible to play the double pedal C, but I have to lip the note _________________ Robson Adabo de Mello
1 Corinthians 14:8 (KJV)
"For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?"
Joined: 26 Jan 2007 Posts: 666 Location: Sao Paulo, Brazil
Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2024 7:48 am Post subject:
Tpt_Guy wrote:
Wow, your playing is excellent!
Where did you get that horn? Did you modify one yourself, or did you have someone make it for you?
My wife gave me an Adams F4 and all the modifications were made by a friend here in Sao Paulo (Brazil). His name is Joel Santana and he's a tuba player _________________ Robson Adabo de Mello
1 Corinthians 14:8 (KJV)
"For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?"
Cool, thanks for the info. I thought it looked like an F4.
You could always call it a Robs-o-phone _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
AR Resonance, Frate, Klier
Joined: 26 Jan 2007 Posts: 666 Location: Sao Paulo, Brazil
Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2024 8:29 am Post subject:
TrumpetMD wrote:
Brassnose wrote:
Truth to be told, I don’t exactly understand how you get to those very low notes. Your horn started out as a regular Bb flugel, which goes to low F#. Then you add the fourth valve, which brings it down to low C#. Add the fifth valve, which brings it down to B (or Bb?).
Is this the lowest you play or are you also using pedal tones? Or am I missing something?
I have a Getzen 4-valve flugelhorn. The 4th valve is suppose to bring you down to C#, with all 4 valves down. But the problem is that the C# is more than a half-step sharp. To make it work, I play it as 1-2-3-4 and also have to pull out both the 4th valve slide and the 4th valve dump slide.
I'll defer to Robson to clarify what he does on his 5-valve flugelhorn. But I suspect he doesn't play C# as 1-2-3-4, but instead uses 1-2-3-4-5, with the 5th also pressed down to correct the intonation problem with low C#. He may also use the 5th valve with alternate fingerings to correct intonation problems with pedal F down to pedal C#. And once he gets to pedal C, he plays it open.
Mike
That's perfect Mike! You got it!
First I have to say that I use the 4th valve as a replacement to the 6th position, so I play low D's and low G's on the 4th valve
Considering that, low F is very sharp on 1+4, so I use 5+4. That's perferct because the 4th valve brings the horn to the key of F, and the 5th valve is just like the first valve on a F instrument, like a mellophone.
In the low E I use 2+3+4.... Yes, it's a low E, not low Eb
In the low Eb I use 3+4+5
In the low D I use 2+3+4+5... It's a little sharp, so I use the trigger on the 4th slide to correct intonation
In the low C# I use 1+2+3+4+5 and it's perfect
I play the pedal C open
I know that's a weird fingering, but it has a incredible result intonation wise. _________________ Robson Adabo de Mello
1 Corinthians 14:8 (KJV)
"For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?"
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2024 1:23 pm Post subject:
I enjoyed that thoroughly. I hope you license that design to get some built. _________________ Matt Finley https://mattfinley.bandcamp.com/releases
Kanstul 1525 flugel with French taper, Shires Bb Destino Med & C trumpets, Schilke XA1 cornet, Schagerl rotary, Schilke P5-4 picc, Yamaha soprano sax, Powell flute. Sanborn GR66MS & Touvron-D.
Very nice playing; the way you worked out how to properly exploit your special instrument is impressive.
It would appear that you've developed the Yma Sumac of flugelhorns! _________________ "He that plays the King shall be welcome . . . " (Hamlet Act II, Scene 2, Line 1416)
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