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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:59 am    Post subject: Thought for the Day Reply with quote

What you do the first ten minutes you put the mouthpiece on your face will determine how you sound the rest of the day.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then, all is lost!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

huntman10 wrote:
Then, all is lost!

Same thing here. You mean this is the best it's going to be?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually the best I sound is right away. Fatigue later degrades it a bit. A brief rest and all is good again.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Thought for the Day Reply with quote

jhatpro wrote:
... the first ten minutes you put the mouthpiece on your face will determine ...

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whether you immediately beat your chops to death, or prepare them for a good productive session.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Thought for the Day Reply with quote

jhatpro wrote:
What you do the first ten minutes you put the mouthpiece on your face will determine how you sound the rest of the day.


Same thing everyday with different initial results. Stay focused, stay on track until the sound appears.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How you feel today depends on what you did yesterday.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tomorrow is another day.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes at first it all feels wrong. Sometimes I can relax, don't swing so hard, reassess, and things get better. It can be like golf...The harder I swing, the less well the mechanics come together.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tptptp wrote:
Sometimes at first it all feels wrong. Sometimes I can relax, don't swing so hard, reassess, and things get better. It can be like golf...The harder I swing, the less well the mechanics come together.



Indeed!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless my ten minutes begins with some soft buzzing and continues with some very soft long tones my sound will get thin and anything above the staff will sound pinched.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generally, if I don't find my good embouchure in the first few minutes, I call it a day and put the horn back in its case. Trying to make things work when they don't only leads to reinforcing improper technique habits for me.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi
I used to think "Good days" and "Bad days" on the trumpet and you find out which in the first 10 minutes. Then I found Jim Pandolfi's idea that "It's not good embouchure that makes Resonance but the other way round - Resonance makes good embouchure."
I can't remember the last time I thought "Bad day" I just think some days I need to focus more on Resonance to coax out Good Embouchure.

But hell.. what do I know.. I am absolutely sure of all that Post here I am in the bottom 10% in terms of proficiency on the Horn...

cheers Steve
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

steve0930 wrote:
... Then I found Jim Pandolfi's idea that "It's not good embouchure that makes Resonance but the other way round - Resonance makes good embouchure." ...

But hell.. what do I know.. ...

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Seems to me that you know 'good stuff to post'!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I seem to remember a quote from Armando Ghitalla, "If I only played when it felt good, it would be about once every two weeks".
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JayKosta wrote:
steve0930 wrote:
... Then I found Jim Pandolfi's idea that "It's not good embouchure that makes Resonance but the other way round - Resonance makes good embouchure." ...

But hell.. what do I know.. ...

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Seems to me that you know 'good stuff to post'!

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trumphat wrote:
I seem to remember a quote from Armando Ghitalla, "If I only played when it felt good, it would be about once every two weeks".

There's some truth in that, and of course it's not like I don't have 'good-ish' and 'less good-ish' days. I was mostly referring to the worst days; those days where you just can't get it to work no matter what you try. Maybe I've simply improved a lot, but it seems like after I started to not force things when my embouchure wouldn't work, the worst days started to go away to the point that they rarely happen anymore.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that our opening poster has a valid point:
Infinite things affect our daily state. Some day you wake up, process your breakfast, wash and what not and then you sit down in order to play the first tones on your horn. And notice that the slurs do not run as easily as they did yesterday. Hmm, maybe I will have to warm up a little longer. Yet your lips feel wooden. Unresponsive.
And so on.

As I see it our potential skills do not go away all of a sudden. What you have learned, you have learned. You are basically the same person from day to day.

Unless something has happened.
Such as: you had a terrible night, didn´t sleep; you practiced too much yesterday thus in some way hurting you chops; likeways you took that high Eb while pressing far too hard - during the big band rehearsal (or as we say in the brass band you blew the tyre and played on the rim); were involved in a car accident so you are still shaken (if not stirred); the transition from night circulation to waking state circulation took a little longer; btw probably behind the fact that some people (like me) just can´t play that well too early in the morning.

And so on. And what not.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2024 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I attended a clinic with Doc Severinsen back in the 1980s. I remember him saying that when he's warming up, and when he begins his practice, he tries play with a perfect embouchure and technique. And he doesn't worry so much about what it sounds like, because it oftentimes doesn't sound very good. And then, once he's on the gig, he doesn't pay attention to his technique; he does whatever he needs to do to sound good.

(As far as I could tell, he had pretty good technique on the gig, too.)


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2024 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

weeeeve wrote:
... he tries play with a perfect embouchure and technique. And he doesn't worry so much about what it sounds like, because it oftentimes doesn't sound very good. ...

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That makes sense for a player who really knows what 'should be done physically' (and can tell what is happening) - get the physical stuff 'working properly' and the sound will come on its own.

But another player might not have that precise knowledge of their physical actions and needs to 'retrain' themself guided by the sound. Gee, that sounds bad - maybe I'm not doing what I should be.

My guess is that most people do a blending of those approaches.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2024 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seymor B Fudd wrote:
you blew the tyre and played on the rim


That is absolutely hilarious, but the reason it’s so funny is because there is so much truth in it. We have all done it.

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