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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:59 am Post subject: Thought for the Day |
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What you do the first ten minutes you put the mouthpiece on your face will determine how you sound the rest of the day. _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle |
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huntman10 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 30 Aug 2017 Posts: 697 Location: Texas South Plains
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:10 am Post subject: |
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Then, all is lost! _________________ huntman10
Collector/Player of Fine (and not so fine) Brass Instruments including
Various Strads, Yammies, Al Hirt Courtois, Schilkes,
Selmer 25, Getzen Eternas, Kanstuls (920 Pic, CG)
Martin Custom Large Bore, Lots Olds!, Conns, etc. |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9033 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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huntman10 wrote: | Then, all is lost! |
Same thing here. You mean this is the best it's going to be? _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Yamaha 8310Z Bobby Shew trumpet
Benge 3X Trumpet
Benge 3X Cornet
Adams F-1 Flghn |
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Richard III Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 May 2007 Posts: 2655 Location: Anacortes, WA
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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Usually the best I sound is right away. Fatigue later degrades it a bit. A brief rest and all is good again. _________________ Richard
King 1130 Flugabone
King 12C mouthpiece |
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2018 Posts: 3310 Location: Endwell NY USA
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: Thought for the Day |
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jhatpro wrote: | ... the first ten minutes you put the mouthpiece on your face will determine ... |
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whether you immediately beat your chops to death, or prepare them for a good productive session. _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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Billy B Heavyweight Member
Joined: 12 Feb 2004 Posts: 6130 Location: Des Moines
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:26 pm Post subject: Re: Thought for the Day |
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jhatpro wrote: | What you do the first ten minutes you put the mouthpiece on your face will determine how you sound the rest of the day. |
Same thing everyday with different initial results. Stay focused, stay on track until the sound appears. _________________ Bill Bergren |
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Al Innella Heavyweight Member
Joined: 08 Jul 2008 Posts: 755 Location: Levittown NY
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:21 am Post subject: |
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How you feel today depends on what you did yesterday. |
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Halflip Heavyweight Member
Joined: 09 Jan 2003 Posts: 1931 Location: WI
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:25 am Post subject: |
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Tomorrow is another day. _________________ "He that plays the King shall be welcome . . . " (Hamlet Act II, Scene 2, Line 1416)
"He had no concept of the instrument. He was blowing into it." -- Virgil Starkwell's cello teacher in "Take the Money and Run" |
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tptptp Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Oct 2001 Posts: 1409 Location: Georgia
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 8:08 am Post subject: |
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Sometimes at first it all feels wrong. Sometimes I can relax, don't swing so hard, reassess, and things get better. It can be like golf...The harder I swing, the less well the mechanics come together. _________________ Craig Mitchell |
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Seymor B Fudd Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Oct 2015 Posts: 1474 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:31 am Post subject: |
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tptptp wrote: | Sometimes at first it all feels wrong. Sometimes I can relax, don't swing so hard, reassess, and things get better. It can be like golf...The harder I swing, the less well the mechanics come together. |
Indeed! _________________ Cornets: mp 143D3/ DW Ultra 1,5 C
Getzen 300 series
Yamaha YCRD2330II
Yamaha YCR6330II
Getzen Eterna Eb
Trumpets:
Yamaha 6335 RC Schilke 14B
King Super 20 Symphony DB (1970)
Selmer Eb/D trumpet (1974) |
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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Mar 2002 Posts: 10204 Location: The Land Beyond O'Hare
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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Unless my ten minutes begins with some soft buzzing and continues with some very soft long tones my sound will get thin and anything above the staff will sound pinched. _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle |
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stuartissimo Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 12:40 am Post subject: |
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Generally, if I don't find my good embouchure in the first few minutes, I call it a day and put the horn back in its case. Trying to make things work when they don't only leads to reinforcing improper technique habits for me. _________________ 1975 Olds Recording trumpet
1997 Getzen 700SP trumpet
1955 Olds Super cornet
1939 Buescher 280 flugelhorn
AR Resonance mouthpieces |
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steve0930 Veteran Member
Joined: 07 May 2018 Posts: 192
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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Hi
I used to think "Good days" and "Bad days" on the trumpet and you find out which in the first 10 minutes. Then I found Jim Pandolfi's idea that "It's not good embouchure that makes Resonance but the other way round - Resonance makes good embouchure."
I can't remember the last time I thought "Bad day" I just think some days I need to focus more on Resonance to coax out Good Embouchure.
But hell.. what do I know.. I am absolutely sure of all that Post here I am in the bottom 10% in terms of proficiency on the Horn...
cheers Steve _________________ My Number 1 supporter
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2018 Posts: 3310 Location: Endwell NY USA
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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steve0930 wrote: | ... Then I found Jim Pandolfi's idea that "It's not good embouchure that makes Resonance but the other way round - Resonance makes good embouchure." ...
But hell.. what do I know.. ... |
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Seems to me that you know 'good stuff to post'! _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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trumphat Veteran Member
Joined: 05 Jan 2007 Posts: 214 Location: Hamburg,NY
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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I seem to remember a quote from Armando Ghitalla, "If I only played when it felt good, it would be about once every two weeks". |
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stuartissimo Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Dec 2021 Posts: 993 Location: Europe
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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JayKosta wrote: | steve0930 wrote: | ... Then I found Jim Pandolfi's idea that "It's not good embouchure that makes Resonance but the other way round - Resonance makes good embouchure." ...
But hell.. what do I know.. ... |
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Seems to me that you know 'good stuff to post'! |
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trumphat wrote: | I seem to remember a quote from Armando Ghitalla, "If I only played when it felt good, it would be about once every two weeks". |
There's some truth in that, and of course it's not like I don't have 'good-ish' and 'less good-ish' days. I was mostly referring to the worst days; those days where you just can't get it to work no matter what you try. Maybe I've simply improved a lot, but it seems like after I started to not force things when my embouchure wouldn't work, the worst days started to go away to the point that they rarely happen anymore. _________________ 1975 Olds Recording trumpet
1997 Getzen 700SP trumpet
1955 Olds Super cornet
1939 Buescher 280 flugelhorn
AR Resonance mouthpieces |
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Seymor B Fudd Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:51 am Post subject: |
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I think that our opening poster has a valid point:
Infinite things affect our daily state. Some day you wake up, process your breakfast, wash and what not and then you sit down in order to play the first tones on your horn. And notice that the slurs do not run as easily as they did yesterday. Hmm, maybe I will have to warm up a little longer. Yet your lips feel wooden. Unresponsive.
And so on.
As I see it our potential skills do not go away all of a sudden. What you have learned, you have learned. You are basically the same person from day to day.
Unless something has happened.
Such as: you had a terrible night, didn´t sleep; you practiced too much yesterday thus in some way hurting you chops; likeways you took that high Eb while pressing far too hard - during the big band rehearsal (or as we say in the brass band you blew the tyre and played on the rim); were involved in a car accident so you are still shaken (if not stirred); the transition from night circulation to waking state circulation took a little longer; btw probably behind the fact that some people (like me) just can´t play that well too early in the morning.
And so on. And what not. _________________ Cornets: mp 143D3/ DW Ultra 1,5 C
Getzen 300 series
Yamaha YCRD2330II
Yamaha YCR6330II
Getzen Eterna Eb
Trumpets:
Yamaha 6335 RC Schilke 14B
King Super 20 Symphony DB (1970)
Selmer Eb/D trumpet (1974) |
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weeeeve Regular Member
Joined: 09 Nov 2022 Posts: 22 Location: Phoenix, Az
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2024 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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I attended a clinic with Doc Severinsen back in the 1980s. I remember him saying that when he's warming up, and when he begins his practice, he tries play with a perfect embouchure and technique. And he doesn't worry so much about what it sounds like, because it oftentimes doesn't sound very good. And then, once he's on the gig, he doesn't pay attention to his technique; he does whatever he needs to do to sound good.
(As far as I could tell, he had pretty good technique on the gig, too.)
_________________ Steven Laurent
Bach Strad Model 72
Holton Firebird
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2018 Posts: 3310 Location: Endwell NY USA
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2024 6:39 am Post subject: |
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weeeeve wrote: | ... he tries play with a perfect embouchure and technique. And he doesn't worry so much about what it sounds like, because it oftentimes doesn't sound very good. ... |
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That makes sense for a player who really knows what 'should be done physically' (and can tell what is happening) - get the physical stuff 'working properly' and the sound will come on its own.
But another player might not have that precise knowledge of their physical actions and needs to 'retrain' themself guided by the sound. Gee, that sounds bad - maybe I'm not doing what I should be.
My guess is that most people do a blending of those approaches. _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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jengstrom Veteran Member
Joined: 15 Sep 2008 Posts: 428 Location: Rochester, NY
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2024 7:57 am Post subject: |
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Seymor B Fudd wrote: | you blew the tyre and played on the rim |
That is absolutely hilarious, but the reason it’s so funny is because there is so much truth in it. We have all done it.
John _________________ Bach 43*
Bach 72*
Bach Chicago C
Yamaha YTR-761 D/Eb
Kanstul 1525
Bach 196 picc |
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