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Which monette for a Yamaha artist model trumpet ?


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kerouack
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2024 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I Bought a Monette tradition plus mpc, second hand with a very good price, for research. I will be able to sell it for the same price I payed.

I will try it and let you know. It will arrive next week.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2024 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kerouack wrote:
I Bought a Monette tradition plus mpc, second hand with a very good price, for research. I will be able to sell it for the same price I payed.

I will try it and let you know. It will arrive next week.


Excellent. Please do update us regarding how you find it.

Take care and best wishes

Lou
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got the Monette tradition plus.


It has and small indication of the previous insert mm by the old owner. I asked him and he uses a Shagerl Claris trumpet.
The Monette insert 2 mm less in the Yamaha than in the Shagerl.
I don't know how the Shagerl receiver compares to the Bach receiver.

I can feel the mpc, in my trumpet, tune different some notes than the Yamaha mpc and is more open in the high register.
I can feel how the thoat is more open than the Yamaha one.

It goes into the receiver 24 mm.

Does the mpc design compensate for the GAP created ? totally or in part ?
It is designed for a bach receiver ? or is a compromise between bach and yamaha or others ?
Would work better with same design but going into the receiver more, like a yamaha mpc ?

I don't know.

I will try it to check how in plays an intonation and if I like it how it is, for my trumpet.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kerouack wrote:
The Monette insert 2 mm less in the Yamaha than in the Shagerl.


The line from the Schagerl is meaningless unless you know the distance from that line to the Schagerl venturi.

kerouack wrote:
Does the mpc design compensate for the GAP created ? totally . . .


As I have said before, when trying completely new mouthpieces, just evaluate the mouthpiece as a whole. There are too many variables to hyperfocus on gap. Micro-adjustments like Gap are something you can worry about when you have been playing the piece as your main mouthpiece for 1 month+.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

abontrumpet, I a,ready know your opinion.
That post was just not for you.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some people here are doing an investigation. And we need time and go step by step.
If someone does not like it or is not interested in it , I think reading this thread is not mandatory in the legal system of any country
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have access to a software to mimic and change mouthpiece designs, and to 3d printing machines, so in the future I can do more tests, like printing a mpc with similar characteristics to any other, but that goes into the Yamaha receiver like a Yamaha mpc does.
And see what happens, "with my own eyes ".
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kerouack wrote:
abontrumpet, I a,ready know your opinion.
That post was just not for you.

Some people here are doing an investigation


Oh, I apologize. It was confusing because your "investigation" still has too many variables. I was trying to help you narrow your focus so you can come away with worthwhile and meaningful results. I am not sure what your goal is at this point.

But, as they say, "you do you!" Enjoy!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello,
I know your opinion, and i appreciate you write it in TH.
That been sayed, i want to continue my investigation, also other people want to continue it, post the result, and let the people who wants to read it, read it.
I will not hurt anybody doing the investigation.
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