Mouthpiece with same brand as trumpet

kerouack

Hello,
I have a 35 years old yamaha 6345, not using it for 20 years.
Last week I started playing with it with the Bach mpc my old teacher told me to buy, after than I tried the yamaha 7C mpc that came with the horn.
Even not been the 7c my diameter, the yamaha mpc worked great with the yamaha trumpet, lot better than the Bach mpc.

I just buyed a yamaha artist model, after try it with the yamaha 17B that comes with the horn, I tried it with my GR 3M and GR 3MX mpc. Even not been the yamaha 17 my diameter , the trumpet works A LOT better with the yamaha 17B than with the GR mouthpieces.
With the GR mouthpieces works good, with the yamaha mpc works GREAT.

So my point is, using a mpc same brand as the trumpet, at least in the case of yamaha, seems to be a huge advantage.
It makes sense, engineers can make a mpc that perfectly first their trumpets, but if someone design a mpc for " all trumpets " it can not be perfect for any different horn.

So I am going to sell my GR's, and buy Yamaha mouthpieces, not because " are better" than the GR mouthpieces but just cause yamaha mouthpieces work better than the GR's in a Yamaha trumpet.

Playing a trumpet brand that also design mpc, or a mpc that also design trumpets, seems to be a huge advantage .

Andy Cooper · Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:23 am Post subject:

It has to do with "mouthpiece/receiver" gap. Yamahas are a bit different -still many players do just fine playing them with a different brand mouthpiece.

You could use any brand mouthpiece if you were willing to have the mouthpiece converted to Reeves sleeves to adjust the gap.

Yamaha mouthpieces are very well made and relatively inexpensive. There are even symphonic (artist) models available if you need them. Glad you found a Yamaha that works for you.

You might want to try the Yamaha 14B4, 14C4, and Bobby Shew Jazz mouthpieces if you want something smaller.
This is the 66 series but similar size.
https://trumpet.cloud/mpc/index.html?mpc1id=VA0065730&mpc2id=VB913448&backcolor=blue

kerouack · Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 12:12 pm Post subject:

Hello, thanks for your answer.

Yes, it could be the gap, I don’t really know for sure.

And yes, there could be a solution, partial or complete solution.

I never tried reeves sleeves, thank you.

Exactly, I will buy a 14 diameter yamaha.

What I mean is, if you don’t want to make things complicated, just buy a mpc same brand than the trumpet or be ready for making a lot of expensive mistakes.

I don’t say GR mouthpieces are bad.

A mouthpiece designer that knows in which trumpet brand and/or model his mouthpiece is going to be used has a HUGE advantage. A brand that makes trumpets and also mouthpieces has a huge advantage from an engineering point of view.

That makes me think also about mpc makers who say their mpc are always the best, for any trumpet brand and model.

Andy Cooper · Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 2:06 pm Post subject:

Just go a Google search for Yamaha trumpets and mouthpiece gap

https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=141180

https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1122117

https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1682707

You are not alone.

kerouack · Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 2:17 pm Post subject:

Thank you, the first one is very interesting.

abontrumpet · Heavyweight Member Joined: 08 May 2009 Posts: 1783

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kerouack · Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 12:16 am Post subject:

stuartissimo, i tried a chocolate ice cream and did not like it, and that does not mean that i dont like ANY chocolate ice cream.

kerouack · Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 12:19 am Post subject:

abontrumpet, the yamaha 17B has a Rim, diameter and cup i am not used to, and i am playing it just 2 days.
The GR 3M has the diameter and rim i am used to and i played it for YEARS.

I dont agree with you.

kerouack · Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 12:30 am Post subject:

In the first Andy Cooper Link, (Thanks Andy !) B. Scriver says:

" GR will be offering two shanks with the new Eric Miyashiro Series GR Mouthpieces; .385" and .387". We are just working out how many of each for the first run with Eric! "

abontrumpet, probably you did not read that link.

Answering ScottA:

" Lou,
Not sure I have an answer for your question but I have been waiting for someone to bring up the gap issue on the new Chicago models.

For whatever reason Yamaha changed the mouthpiece receiver position rather drastically on the new Chicago. (At least on the Bb, I have not checked a C) The first generation usually required the GR pieces to have a slightly larger shank (.388) for the best gap for me which was about .150-160. The 2nd generation is the exact opposite and the same shank will create a gap of slightly over .200". That is a considerable change. A standard Bach is measuring close to .150 on my Chicago. I sent an inquiry to Wayne Tanabe but I did not receive a reply. In the past I have found the folks at Yamaha somewhat hesitant to discuss gap issues for some reason.

FWIW- I have not found any huge draw back to playing with the very large gap. Upper register is a bit more work but slotting, pitch and articulations have seemed fine. Anyone else have experience playing with a larger than normal gap? The piece I have been using is quite deep--a GR E65VB with a #3 backbore."

Louise Finch

" Thank you very much for your reply. I totally agree with the above part of your post, and just cannot get a Bach mouthpiece to work for me on my Yamaha trumpet, unless sleeved to insert like a Yamaha mouthpiece.
"

kerouack · Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 12:39 am Post subject:

So, i am asking myself one question now, it is really possible to make one mpc that PERFECTLY fits for example a Bach and ALSO a Yamaha trumpet ? or is just technically impossible ?

ek1986 · Regular Member Joined: 03 Mar 2023 Posts: 16

Same here. Yamaha works great with Yamaha.

abontrumpet · Heavyweight Member Joined: 08 May 2009 Posts: 1783

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JayKosta · Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 8:22 am Post subject:

Louise Finch · Posted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:13 am Post subject:

I agree with what Andy Cooper is saying.

All the best

Lou
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kerouack · Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 12:22 am Post subject:

I will add more information.

I am not playing the GR mouthpiece for years, cause i changed to AR mouthpiece. But both have same rim size more or less so i am used to that rim.

What i finally did is buying 3 Yamaha mpcs of the rim size i use, a B cup, for orchestral playing, a C cup for "usual" modern trumpet playing and a E cup for a " Dave Douglas " sound.

Also Yamaha mpcs have good price.

I am very happy with my decision.

I am selling my GR mouthpieces not because they are bad, but because i think the Yamaha mpcs are a better fit for my actyual Yamaha artist model trumpet.
In fact i think my GR mouthpieces worked GREAT in my Eclipse trumpet, cause Bruce Lee from Northern Brass went to the Eclipse factory and participated in the leadpipe receiver design of my Eclipse trumpet, knowing that i would use GR mouthpieces and bringing some GR mpcs with him to UK.

abontrumpet · Heavyweight Member Joined: 08 May 2009 Posts: 1783

kerouack · Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:44 am Post subject:

So for you, the fact that I like better the yamaha mpc than a GR or Bach mpc for a Yamaha horn is just a coincidence, could be the oposite. I am not sure 100% but I think I don't agree. I don't think that is a coincidence. I don't mean that EVERYBODY will prefer the yamaha mpc for the yamaha horn, but at the same time I don't think that what I see is a coincidence.

The GR owner wrote in the TH in another thread that he was going to do a GR mpc a little different to create a different GAP I think for a Yamaha horn.