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kaitp
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 Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 9:08 am Post subject: Lower lip consultation |
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I am suffering from a problem where my lower lip drops in the middle of playing and I cannot play properly.
Several of my lower teeth are tilted very far forward and I am wondering if this has anything to do with it.
But I am not confident and would like to discuss this with you guys on the forum, what photos and videos should I prepare? |
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abontrumpet
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting. I think you could start by uploading a video where the "issue" happens (so we can hear it in your playing). Then upload a close up video where we can clearly see your chops and it happens again. Maybe a photo of your teeth, and if you have a visualizer, a photo of you buzzing the vizualizer.
Then I'm sure others will direct you on any further videos they'd like to see. |
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JayKosta
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Have you tried other mouthpiece rim sizes, or shapes?
Do you practice controlling the rim pressure on your lower lip?
Do you attempt to play with very small lower lip rim pressure?
Do you make lower lip rim pressure adjustments when you play?
Do you adjust the angle of the mouthpiece on your teeth as you play?
I do not know of any 'fix' for you, but maybe the answer to these questions will help us understand 'how' the problem is happening.
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PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
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abontrumpet
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| JayKosta wrote: |
Do you practice controlling the rim pressure on your lower lip?
Do you attempt to play with very small lower lip rim pressure?
Do you make lower lip rim pressure adjustments when you play?
Do you adjust the angle of the mouthpiece on your teeth as you play?
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These questions are great for an advanced player. If they started 3 days ago, these aren't very useful. The OP asked about what vids and photos to post, let's actually see and hear them before they start talking about microadjustments (things that aren't really that critical at early stages as there are a lot of habits to establish first). |
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JayKosta
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| abontrumpet wrote: | | ... let's actually see and hear them before they start talking about microadjustments (things that aren't really that critical at early stages as there are a lot of habits to establish first). |
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Yes, videos would be great for SEEING what is being done, but if the OP has 'ideas' (or habits) about how playing should be done that would help understand what the video shows.
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KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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kaitp
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| Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:11 am Post subject: |
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| abontrumpet wrote: | | Interesting. I think you could start by uploading a video where the "issue" happens |
Thank you. I'll take some video and photos and upload them here in a few days.
| JayKosta wrote: | | Have you tried other mouthpiece rim sizes, or shapes?
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I tried different mouthpieces, maybe not that many.
bach 7c yamaha14N/16N/18N MOMO 14b NYclassicMF/17s parduba4.5 ARresonanceVL Schilke24 picket1B sandersrim custom mouthpiece and others, all of which were used for at least three months at the shortest.
| Quote: | Do you practice controlling the rim pressure on your lower lip?
Do you attempt to play with very small lower lip rim pressure?
Do you make lower lip rim pressure adjustments when you play?
Do you adjust the angle of the mouthpiece on your teeth as you play? |
I've been trying for the last three years, but it hasn't worked.
I have only been playing trumpet for about six years, so it is possible that I am simply inexperienced, but I feel that I am putting a strain on my band members these days and I want to improve. |
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JayKosta
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| Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:30 am Post subject: |
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| kaitp wrote: | | ... I'll take some video and photos and upload them here in a few days. ... |
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Videos of you playing would be good. and maybe a photo (without instrument) showing your front teeth.
For the videos, I suggest doing a simple scale, up and down, showing the range in which you have your best sound and control. And then going a few note higher. All played slowly.
Regarding those items I asked about earlier - I was not suggesting that you change your playing to include them, I was only asking if or how they might be a part of how you are currently playing.
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KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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