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Trollet Regular Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:38 am Post subject: Bb buying advice coming off a 9335CH II |
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Hi! Currently playing my 9335CH gen 2 for most of my work, ranging from showband (pop covers with horns), musicals and a mardigras band.
I like the Chicago but i feel its a little too much "legit" feeling for my preference, i like the hard slots but it's slightly too tight. Looking for something a tad darker and more open, but nothing drastic. Tried a 8310z (gen 1) and it had too mutch spread to the sound and not enough projection.
What would you think is slightly more open and maybe more "jazzy" (Not jazzy as a martin but you get the idea). than the 9335CH.
Other Yamahas? Bach? Heard great things of the Thane, ar resonance, edwards, Bohme trumpets. The 9335CH II is also for sale on facebook in the 2 main groups.
Have a good day! _________________ Horns:
Yamaha ytr-6335H
Looking for a flugelhorn!
Mpcs:
GR 64SZ* - and a bunch more
Bach 7FL |
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ldwoods Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:45 am Post subject: |
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I am no expert, but have owned a lot of different horns and always find a strong preference to Schilke. I would recommend the S32 or for slightly more flexibility the B1. _________________ Larry Woods
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kerouack Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 6:04 am Post subject: |
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Have you tried the artist model new york ?
which mouthpiece do you use ? |
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Dayton Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 6:35 am Post subject: |
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Have you considered the Yamaha 6335RC? It has been quite a while since I've played that or the Chicago II, but it seems to me that the 6335RC has those qualities you are looking for.
I'll also mention the Bach 19072V, which is not easy to find right now. I think it offers the qualities you are looking for, and is quite a versatile horn.
Good luck! |
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abontrumpet Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 6:44 am Post subject: |
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A good Bach seems to be hard to find in Europe.
So if you enjoyed Yamaha in the past, I would look specifically at the 8335RSII. The reverse pipe model is a very popular choice in the states and extremely popular with cross-over (legit and commercial) players. I think it hits all the points you are looking for.
Good luck! |
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Trollet Regular Member
Joined: 10 May 2020 Posts: 62 Location: Söderhamn, Sweden
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 6:51 am Post subject: |
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kerouack wrote: | Have you tried the artist model new york ?
which mouthpiece do you use ? |
The one stated below right now, makes for a bright but versatile sound for commecrial work. _________________ Horns:
Yamaha ytr-6335H
Looking for a flugelhorn!
Mpcs:
GR 64SZ* - and a bunch more
Bach 7FL |
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Croquethed Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 6:58 am Post subject: |
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Please take with a grain of salt as I have played exclusively on Getzen horns since my comeback.
But the Edwards X-13 is a "jazzy" horn. I have two, one silver plate and one satin lacquer. The silver is brighter but both are very open and have that nice kind of soft edge around the note. |
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dr_trumpet Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 Nov 2001 Posts: 2533 Location: Cope, IN
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:05 am Post subject: |
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I'd see if you can locate the new Bach Apollo with the 43 bell. You might also consider finding a good used Bach Commercial trumpet. Also, a good lightweight Stradivarius with a 72* is a great option. _________________ Dr. Albert L. Lilly, III DM
Artist/Clinician for Vincent Bach Trumpets (Conn-Selmer)
Principal Trumpet, Hendricks Symphony (Avon, IN)
Arranger/Composer; Lilly Music |
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Ronnman Veteran Member
Joined: 09 Aug 2019 Posts: 409 Location: SE Louisiana
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:10 am Post subject: |
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Trollet - Do you know what your current mouthpiece gap is? Have you tried different mouthpiece gaps?
From GR Mouthpiece website: If the gap is greater it is a positive (+) gap measurement and the result will be a bit more resistance, although, the horn will slot and speak well. If the gap is less it is a minus (-) gap measurement and the result will cause less resistance, as well as, difficulty slotting. Some players like this condition and prefer the gap to the minus side.
You might look through some recent TH threads on mouthpiece gaps on Yamaha and some other brands.
https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=164091&highlight=
https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=164103&highlight=
Ron _________________ Martin Committee #2 1954
Leblanc “Al Hirt” Model 1966
Olds Custom Crafted Ultra Sonic 1974
Edwards Gen II 2014 |
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abontrumpet Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:22 am Post subject: |
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Ronnman wrote: | Trollet - Do you know what your current mouthpiece gap is? Have you tried different mouthpiece gaps? |
You will find me in many of those threads fighting my personal fight against the conclusions drawn in them (IMO, faulty).
However, experimenting with gap, in this case, where you have a perfectly good trumpet, may give you the flexibility you are looking for. Not necessarily a cheaper option, but certainly one that is viable. |
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kerouack Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:31 am Post subject: |
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I think the artist model New York is more flexible and you could just try it like you can try so many others, there are lot of options you could like, not only one, just always buy only something you can try before.
But I also think before selling your trumpet and spending lot of money you should try just with different mouthpieces, like one Yamaha mpc with the Yamaha D cup. Your GR is quite small, may be just changing to a deeper bigger mpc you get what you want. |
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 8:01 am Post subject: |
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Bach 43, Conn 52B, Schilke B6, Edwards X-13, B&S MBX2 come to (my) mind. _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
AR Resonance, Frate, Klier |
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Trollet Regular Member
Joined: 10 May 2020 Posts: 62 Location: Söderhamn, Sweden
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 8:05 am Post subject: |
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Ronnman wrote: | Trollet - Do you know what your current mouthpiece gap is? Have you tried different mouthpiece gaps?
From GR Mouthpiece website: If the gap is greater it is a positive (+) gap measurement and the result will be a bit more resistance, although, the horn will slot and speak well. If the gap is less it is a minus (-) gap measurement and the result will cause less resistance, as well as, difficulty slotting. Some players like this condition and prefer the gap to the minus side.
You might look through some recent TH threads on mouthpiece gaps on Yamaha and some other brands.
https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=164091&highlight=
https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=164103&highlight=
Ron |
I dont know the exact measurment, but the mouthpiece does not go as far into the horn with chicago than my other horns. I can feel it aswell, the slots are quite hard. _________________ Horns:
Yamaha ytr-6335H
Looking for a flugelhorn!
Mpcs:
GR 64SZ* - and a bunch more
Bach 7FL |
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jengstrom Veteran Member
Joined: 15 Sep 2008 Posts: 428 Location: Rochester, NY
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 8:21 am Post subject: |
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dr_trumpet wrote: | I'd see if you can locate the new Bach Apollo with the 43 bell. You might also consider finding a good used Bach Commercial trumpet. Also, a good lightweight Stradivarius with a 72* is a great option. |
+1 for the 72*. Tried and true. If you like Yamaha, the 8335LAII is along the same lines.
John _________________ Bach 43*
Bach 72*
Bach Chicago C
Yamaha YTR-761 D/Eb
Kanstul 1525
Bach 196 picc |
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Shark01 Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:14 am Post subject: |
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Schilke B series is your answer |
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RL Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2024 8:26 am Post subject: |
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Yamaha 8340 EM |
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abontrumpet Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:09 am Post subject: |
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Trollet wrote: | I dont know the exact measurment, but the mouthpiece does not go as far into the horn with chicago than my other horns. I can feel it aswell, the slots are quite hard. |
There is more to the "hard slots" than just gap. The horn is fully "designed." |
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Louise Finch Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2024 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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abontrumpet wrote: | A good Bach seems to be hard to find in Europe.
So if you enjoyed Yamaha in the past, I would look specifically at the 8335RSII. The reverse pipe model is a very popular choice in the states and extremely popular with cross-over (legit and commercial) players. I think it hits all the points you are looking for.
Good luck! |
I completely agree.
All the best
Lou _________________ Trumpets:
Yamaha 8335 Xeno II
Bach Strad 180ML/37
B&H Oxford
Kanstul F Besson C
Yamaha D and D/Eb
- James R New Custom 3Cs
Flugel:
Bach Strad 183 - Bach 3CFL
Cornets:
Yamaha Neo + Xeno
Bach Strad 184ML
B&H Imperial
- Kanstul Custom 3Cs |
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kerouack Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2024 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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Trollet, you should first try with another mpc, like a Yamaha one. |
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yourbrass Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2024 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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As much as I love my X-13, looking at the type of work the OP is doing, I'd go for brighter sound. Schilke, a Getzen pro model of whatever type, and don't forget the Miyashiro Yamaha (EM). _________________ "Strive for tone." -John Coppola
Edwards X-13
ACB MV3C /ACB A1/26 backbore
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