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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2024 5:43 pm    Post subject: One of Miles' Last Horns Reply with quote

I'm guessing it's a modified version of the standard medium large Holton Committee. I had a stock Holton Committee, T3460. Sure wish they would've used those short stroke valves like they did on Miles' horn.

I'd wager that horn is incredible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_SQAaogPrU&ab_channel=GriegoMouthpieces
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2024 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought it might be the one that sold for $220,000 at auction 4-5 years ago, but it is not.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2024 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brent, why do you say Holton? The video says Martin.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2024 4:17 pm    Post subject: Horn Reply with quote

At the time that horn was made, Holton had the rights to the Martin name and were making their version of the Committee. It wasn’t the same as the vintage horns.

It was quite.a while ago, but the guy who designed the Holton version of the Martin Committee, Larry Ramirez, had chimed in on a TH discussion regarding Committees. He talked about his own design, and how it differed from the original.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2024 1:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Horn Reply with quote

Brent wrote:
At the time that horn was made, Holton had the rights to the Martin name and were making their version of the Committee. It wasn’t the same as the vintage horns.

It was quite.a while ago, but the guy who designed the Holton version of the Martin Committee, Larry Ramirez, had chimed in on a TH discussion regarding Committees. He talked about his own design, and how it differed from the original.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2024 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course we all know Miles would have been Miles with just about any capable, functional horn.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2024 3:37 pm    Post subject: Re: One of Miles' Last Horns Reply with quote

Brent wrote:
I'm guessing it's a modified version of the standard medium large Holton Committee. I had a stock Holton Committee, T3460. Sure wish they would've used those short stroke valves like they did on Miles' horn.

I'd wager that horn is incredible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_SQAaogPrU&ab_channel=GriegoMouthpieces


Dang, it’s gotta be in part the player but that’s about the sweetest sounding horn ever.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2024 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the YouTube video, that particular Miles Davis Martin Committee trumpet is stamped ST550 on the valve casing and the guy says (at the 7:45 minute mark) "I don't know what that is."

The ST550 was the Holton MF Admiral model trumpet. They also mention the number T3460 written on the shop card which was the Holton/Leblanc-made Martin trumpet made in Kenosha, Wisconsin in the early 1980s. The large bore Martin was numbered T3465, so the model numbers indicated the bore size.

I never saw a Martin T3460 Committee stamped "ST550" on the valve casing and the original wood shell case for the T3460 had a premium light tan suede leather covering. (I was a Holton/Leblanc dealer during that time and sold several of those instruments. I remember them quite well.)
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2024 4:38 pm    Post subject: Re: One of Miles' Last Horns Reply with quote

Brent wrote:
Sure wish they would've used those short stroke valves like they did on Miles' horn.

plankowner110 wrote:
In the YouTube video, that particular Miles Davis Martin Committee trumpet is stamped ST550 on the valve casing and the guy says (at the 7:45 minute mark) "I don't know what that is."

The ST550 was the Holton MF Admiral model trumpet. They also mention the number ST3460 written on the shop card which was the Holton/Leblanc-made Martin trumpet made in Kenosha, Wisconsin in the early 1980s.

It sounds like a competent tech could transplant an MF Admiral valve block into an ST3460 Committee and wind up with something approximating the Miles Davis horn . . .
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2024 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LeBlanc, who owned Holton and the other names on the marquee, such as Martin, made the valve sections for the trumpet in a similar way to the original Martin manufacture. I use a Holton valve spring for those valves as they are a short stroke and it works well. These springs are also great for Selmer, Benge, and other pistons of the shorter design.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the sequence where they open the case, you can see „Martin“ followed by the Holton „triangle“ in the circle.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 11:11 am    Post subject: Martin Reply with quote

Sounds like a number of folks already have solved the numbers riddle on this one.

Miles apparently liked that ST 550 valve block, which was normally used for the intermediate Holton Admiral models. I had a standard T3460, and I would've greatly preferred the ST 550 valves instead. I found the valves they normally used of their stock Committees to be heavy.

"Dang, it’s gotta be in part the player but that’s about the sweetest sounding horn ever."

Definite truth to that: Chad M is a beautiful player! That being said, I think those later Holton versions of the Martin Committee sounded fantastic, especially the medium large bore version. I got ridiculed for saying it, but I was the lone cowboy that actually liked that version better than the vintage Committees.
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