Zachary music interesting site.....

Mattk0 · Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 8:42 pm Post subject:

Just for kicks, highlight the bottom of this page on the zachary site...

http://www.zacharymusic.com/Zachary_Music/NewZTR1000.htm

is this just a smart way of getting more hits??

is this right?

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alwyswinn · Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 8:47 pm Post subject:

you know I don't know if this is right or not but I definately think it generates hits. i recently visited a part of this site as it was the only one i could find that showed how a trumpet was made i think it was on page 5 of a google search . Great pictures of trumpet making though the guy is a bit to in love with the zues horns they are kinda pretty but his narrative is a bit corney. I got the info i wanted don't need another trumpet though just yet.

MoonBoy · Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 8:49 pm Post subject:

I have no real idea, BUT I think it has to do with search engines scanning for keywords then directing traffic to the relevant sites. So you search for Wild Thing,Lawler,Eclipse,Monette,Taylor,Kanstul,Conn,Yamaha,Bach,Stradivarius,ZeuS,Holton,Martin,Stomvi,trumpets,trumpet,Callet,Stratosphere,Bach Stradivarius,Conn Vintage 1, you *might* get the ZTR1000 webpage. I remember this trick from my early (1996) html learnings.
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oneeyedhobbit · Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 9:11 pm Post subject:

Its what some might call dishonest.

fuzzyjon79 · Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 9:34 pm Post subject:

Yea, those meta-tags will generate a lot of hits for his webpage. A lot of web developers use them.
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TimBrown · Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 9:42 pm Post subject:

Couldn't help but notice this; maybe it's nothing:

* You sure don't get this with the heavily braced horns, its like they are built into concrete and consequently they sound dead and dull.*

Does this mean he's saying his other horns sound dead and dull?

Also, he seems to have rushed the page together. Grammatical errors, awkward wording.
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TimBrown · Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 9:45 pm Post subject:

MoonBoy · Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 11:26 pm Post subject:

Hey Tim, I think by "heavily braced" he means the Monette/Courtios/Phaeton type trumpets, just a guess. And boy the word "spiders" brought back a flood of memories about me pouring over webcrawler.com, I would use that for everything search-wise much like google is today. Webcrawler was king back in the day.

Edit: One other thing, picking on people's grammer/spelling on the web is not a challenge. The pictures should (and do!) speak way more to me than the text, anyway I know I'd rather look at the shiney pictures than read boring grammatically incorrect fluff. That's just me.

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TimBrown · Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:58 am Post subject:

*Hey Tim, I think by "heavily braced" he means the Monette/Courtios/Phaeton type trumpets, just a guess. *

Yeah, that might very well be.

About the rest, I hear ya, but I'd really reword that page if it were mine! It just seems that he must've rushed that page out there. Why do I think that? Because I'm guilty of it too...and I regretted it!

(Edit) --> I'm blessed with the world's most wonderful wife but I'll tell you, I cringe sometimes when I hear her smash the english language sometimes. Double negatives, etc. I'm learning to relax about that more and even do some of it myself....just to not take it so seriously.

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bgwbold · Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 2:31 am Post subject:

If I remember correctly, you can make your metatags invisible, so you get the hits but the word that brings a person to the page does not have to be visible. That is a common thing to do and it is one of the main things about HTML that seems to cause wierd results when you are searching with things like Yahoo. Internet vendors do this all the time to get people to look at their pages hoping people will buy something they weren't originally looking for.

Mike

trump_it · Veteran Member Joined: 16 Mar 2003 Posts: 319

This has already been discussed on the TH, with some of the owners of the companies listed on the bottom of the ZM site weighing in. This is not something that only Alex does. Some may call it dishonest, but most call it normal web practices. If you do a search, you'll find the thread I'm talking about. I'd do the search, but I'm not the one looking or the info.

David · Veteran Member Joined: 22 Nov 2002 Posts: 379

The metatag trick works with some engines, but not with Google. They don't use them to judge the validity of a site. One interesting technique they use is to look to how many other sites point to your site on a particular topic - assuming if a lot of other sites reference yours, it must be good.
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bgwbold · Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:09 am Post subject:

In other words, it would be considered unethical to advertise things you don't sell just to get people to hit your site, but it is not generally considered to be unethical if the tags are invisible and include, for example, other brand names that you don't sell.

Mike

jophst · Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:11 am Post subject:

Did anyone else notice the title of the website ... look at the very top in the blue bar ... is it a Monette Trumpet though???

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bgwbold · Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:46 am Post subject:

At least on eBay you can add "-not" to your search to eliminate the misleading headers.

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jophst · Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:53 am Post subject:

Even if you could use that to filter Alex's site ... you would have to add A LOT of words after "not" ... HA!
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MoonBoy · Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 7:04 am Post subject:

I see ALL SORTS of auctions like this (actual titles I just pulled off eBay): "Benge Eb/D Trumpet- *NOT Schilke or Bach*" or "MONKE ROTARY C TRUMPET & MONETTE MPC not Bach" or "Besson silver pro trumpet not Bach or Schilke" why aren't these auctions listed on the fraud forum? Oh yeah, because this stuff is a cheap known advertising/marketing tool. How many "Brand X" or supermarket store brand products do you see at the supermarket that say: Brand X "Compare to Name Brand!" if you haven't seen it go look. I think people are getting all bent out of shape over something that many MANY people/companies do, just because this guy ruffled a few feathers before . . .
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oneeyedhobbit · Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 8:42 am Post subject:

I don't care if its done on e-bay by amateurs, or if other retailers make invisible meta-tags, its still dishonest. The amateurs on e-bay at least are putting "not" whatever. The other retailers? I'd consider them dishonest, too. Alex is just trying to score hits, and get some naive person to believe this horn is all the rage in the professional world. As good as it may be, I can't think of any symphony or jazz players using it. Plus, as I recall some time ago on the other thread many manufacturers asked Alex to remove their name, which he still hasn't done.

MoonBoy · Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 9:29 am Post subject:

oneeyedhobbit while it seems that you have an anger problem directed at Alex, and although I think the whole Zeus-hatred thing is amusing, I understand that some might be "new is scary and horrible, old is trusted and good." Perhaps the reason people haven't been seen with them in symphonies or jazz bands is because they just shipped out in the last week or so . . . Divorce the trumpet from the seller and concentrate on the important things. Alex is obviously devoting a lot of his time and effort into a market that doesn't see a whole lot of quality newcomers because of the "old guard" mentality, just because the trumpet market is (seems to me, to be) very reserved compared to the guitar market (he also HAND BUILDS guitars, but you know that). Advertising is VERY expensive in print, but on the internet all you have to do is start a flame war here or there and presto! almost guaranteed to get a few % of the people looking at the site will buy something.

Re: the keywords, there is a lot of dishonesty in the world and a man using non-trademarked non-copyrighted names (as far as I can tell) is the least of our problems. Anyway IF the companies were upset why not get the out the lawers? Seems to work for the rest of the litigious-happy USA.

Edit: spelling

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Big Phat Jan · Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 9:58 am Post subject:

I didn't see any Zues hatred in the thread... The only thing that annoyed me was that he didn't use Schilke as well! What's wrong with my Schilke?

Jan.

P.S. He is using meta tags as well (the bit that most search engines look at). Maybe the fact that Google ignores these is the reason he's got it in the actual text?