1933 NY Bach

Charis · Regular Member Joined: 25 Mar 2003 Posts: 38

I just picked up a 1933 NY Bach. It is a sweet playing horn. It has a #11 bell. Has any one played one of these? I do not know what to compare the tone too. However, the horns produces one great sound.

Geri · Regular Member Joined: 14 Oct 2002 Posts: 78

I had an opportunity to try out a NY Bronx Bach a few years ago. I'm not sure or the exact manufacturer date, but the serial number was 95xx or so. I was frankly a little dissappointed with it. I don't remember the specifics, but the tone and feel were not as good as another (later model) Mt. Vernon that I tried there at the same time. I doubt if the differences were due to damage since both horns seemed pretty well taken care of and not refinished.

Charis · Regular Member Joined: 25 Mar 2003 Posts: 38

Yes, I picked this one out of a group of 6 horns ... All NY Bach. This one was by far the best. The Number on this one is 2009.

wardsd · Heavyweight Member Joined: 12 Mar 2003 Posts: 504

The new Yorks and the first couple years of Mt. Vernons have a tighter wrap, and definitely play different than modern bachs. Geri, it is possible this is the difference you noticed between the New York and the Mt. Vernon.

Steve

DavesTrumpet · Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 7:02 pm Post subject:

A #11 bell? Sounds interesting. I've never heard of one. Have you contacted Roy Hempley? He knows a lot about the early Bach.

I've got a 1920's with a 6 bell (actually 6G). That's a pretty common bell. So is the 7, 10, 25 and 7-10. Never seen an 11 though. Cool!

Have you requested a copy of the shop card from Selmer?
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KevinInGeorgia · Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 7:39 pm Post subject:

What is the best way to request a copy of the Shop card?
I've got a Mt Vernon C with a 238 Bell that I would like to have more info about...
Can you just email them or do you need to call??

thanks,
kevin

DavesTrumpet · Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 3:42 am Post subject:

Kevin,

There used to be an e-mail address posted on the Selmer website. Also a snail mail addy. That said, I tried several times with no success and finally had a friend with connections get a copies for me.

There are many changes underway at Bach now and I hope they still continue to offer this service.

The card will tell things like the kind of brass used, fit of the pistons, bore size, leadpipe and bell models, who the horn was made for/ sold to, date of manufacture, date of sell, and other info. Most of the cards I've seen are in V. Bach's own hand.
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DavesTrumpet · Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 4:00 am Post subject:

I'll see if this works. Here's an example. This is one of Bix's Bach cornets:

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Mr.Hollywood · Heavyweight Member Joined: 14 Dec 2002 Posts: 1730

For those who might not know that looks like Bix's own signature on that card.

I wonder what the card is worth? Its got Bach's and Bix's writing on it.

Chris

DavesTrumpet · Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 7:35 am Post subject:

Exactly. I do believe that is Bix's autograph. Wow, who knows the value. Extremely high I'm sure. As far as I know, this card as well as his other are still in the possession of the Selmer Company.

I don't mean to change the direction of this thread, but here's the other Bix card for those interested:

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JDWildcat · Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 8:03 am Post subject:

Do those shop cards say the bells are made out of French brass? What exactly is that?

jophst · Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 8:08 am Post subject:

Don't you mean "Freedom" Brass?

I would like to know this as well.
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DavesTrumpet · Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 9:05 am Post subject:

Roy Hempley in his "Bachology" column disusses the brass designation:

http://www.selmer.com/bachology/bacologyI.html

Unfortunately, we're left mostly to speculate. Was "French" brass "normal" brass where "G," German? I'm not too sure anyone knows except for Vincent Bach. My own gut feeling was "French" brass was an alloy Bach had made up to copy the brass of the Besson trumpet. Anyway, it's one of those MANY Bach mysteries. Check that link out. Some pretty good info there.
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