More Japanese Ingenuity?

blasticore · Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 5:59 pm Post subject:

I was looking around, as I normally do, and came across the trumpet below. Anyone read Japanese?

http://www5a.biglobe.ne.jp/~bestbras/bestbrass02_013.htm

Anything said would be more than I know, so feel free to open your mouths.

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Hokie_Pokie · Regular Member Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Posts: 39

There was a discussion about Shinji Hamanaga Best Brass Mouthpieces a while ago, and they seemed to be well liked. Here's the thread:

BEST BRASS POWERPIECE

The horn looks interesting. I wonder what a million Yen works out to be

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Ash · Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:31 pm Post subject:

Vessehune · Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:58 pm Post subject:

It can be yours for the cheap cheap price of only $9,175.15. I would be curious to play it since it has the redisigned valves.

Massa · Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 7:08 pm Post subject:

I don't know the technical jargons but here I go anyway:

On sale in March, 2004
Price: 100 million yen ( about $ 9,300 US)

Specifications of AIOLIA
Key: Bb
Bore size: 11.65mm ML
Weight: 1750g
Material: Yellow brass
Valve: HAMANAGA Valve system (Heavy wall casing and very smooth wrap)
Piston: New Nickel Alloy (Long body construction)
Bell: Interchangeable system (Bell diameter/123mm and 143mm)
Mouth pipe: Full covered mouth pipe system
Main tuning slide: High speed bow (joint-less single pipe)
1st trigger: Twisted ring trigger (easy holding, and smooth action)
Finish: Silver pt. (gold plate available)
Case: Original double hard case

The bottom part of the page talks about the newly invented HAMANAGA valve system.
This new system enables players to achieve gpowerful sound, smooth playability, and stability.h Entire cross-section of the horn valve routes is perfect circle shape, thus it reduces undesired turbulence, which cause energy loss in sound production. This system also put piston valve casings together to enhance the strength of the body. (Strong instrument body = Rich strong sound, etc.)

heavyharmonies · Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 4:20 am Post subject:

The blueprints showing the differences in valve cluster are very interesting. Any thoughts on what (if any) differences the different air path would create?

-Dan

_dcstep · Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 6:29 am Post subject:

Several interesting concepts there.

The covered leadpipe seems to have a surprising impact on resonance. The Chicago Brassworks horns sheath the leadpipe and eliminate the bell-ring in an otherwise very Bach-like horn. The Concept TT calls this leadpipe sheathing "Twin Tube", but I suspect what matters is that the designer is able to avoid attaching a brace right at the point of an important internal node. The sheath itself must attach somewhere, so the deadening impact cannot be avoided alltogether, but it can be relocated to a more favorable spot(s).

Intuitively, all the "extra" bracing on this Japanese horn seems like it might deaden the horn too much. I'm suspecting that it'll project extremely well, but the player is going to have a hard time hearing it. Someone post a review for us when they hit the market.

Dave
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_PhilPicc · Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 7:05 am Post subject:

They show the price as 1000000 (one million) not 100000000 (one hundred million). That would change the price a little.
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cujazztrpt · Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 7:07 am Post subject:

Interesting,,but for 9 grand!!! How do they justify the price on this horn now?? Imagine how many trumpet lessons can $9000.00 can get you. Ive been living here in Japan now for 2 years and ive been seeing a lot of crazy stuff like this one,,I just saw a Dizzy bell on a trombone. The Japanese are so into gadgets and equipment but I also noticed that they're very into American products as well. They think im god because I play on a vintage committee here. BTW the prices on mpc's are crazy!!! Like $200.00+ on a Reeves MPC.
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ARB · Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 7:44 am Post subject:

For $9K this baby better almost play itself. It also looks like it would be heavy as heck.
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drunkiq · Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 5:20 pm Post subject:

valves with straight bows have been around a long time.

He has some funky weights all over the horn - I figured somone would put a ring on the bell at some point to balance the weight... LOL - At first I thougt is was like the kanstul pics so that you could change the bell... I can't read anything about the vavle material.

In the end I would worry more about how it plays and SOUNDS... I have to agree that just by the design with all the weight stuff I would think that this souds on the deader dark side, but you never know.

As far as leadpipe systems, Edwards still have the most unique gimmick...

-marc

Trptbenge · Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:17 am Post subject:

Isn't that similar to the Wedgewood valve system? I know the Olds Superstar had a straight through valve set-up.

Mike

_dcstep · Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:30 am Post subject:

oopapada · Regular Member Joined: 22 Jul 2003 Posts: 66

perhaps this horn have many good(or just new) idea but not beautiful,,,

if I pay $10K for Trumpet I will buy a Monette

em-band · New Member Joined: 01 Mar 2004 Posts: 10

I have played this instrument few months ago.
Mr. Hamanaga came to my studio session with 2 proto type horns.

My honest opinion is that this horn is too heavy. But it dose have very unique and interesting sound shape and projection.
I used it to record 2 hour TV sound track. It was mostly classical music recorded in a studio, so I don't know how it will perform in a live situation.
I guess the new valve system made the over-all scale very smooth, but to my taste, the horn had way too much resistance.

Eric Miyashiro

blasticore · Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2004 11:49 am Post subject:

Hey, there's a name I've heard. Welcome to TH Eric, and thanks for the input.

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drunkiq · Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2004 1:09 pm Post subject:

HOLY COW!

welcome the forum Eric - it is an Honor!

-marc