Ebay fraud?

radiobob · Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2004 8:25 pm Post subject:

Look at the engraving on this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3714064855&category=41396

Looks like homemade to me. I'm talking about the signature, the rest of the engraving looks O.K.

Bob

[ This Message was edited by: radiobob on 2004-04-03 23:31 ]

Trptbenge · Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 4:50 am Post subject:

It is hard to tell. It looks like it could be a copy of Frank Holtons signature. Who knows. The Holton poaket trumpets are very much in demand because they played so well. If I get a pocket trumpet I wouldn't want to spend more then around $300 though.

Mike

ARB · Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:20 am Post subject:

I don't know about the horn, but the seller has over 1000 sales and 100% positive feedback; that's pretty darn good.

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plankowner110 · Heavyweight Member Joined: 12 Jun 2003 Posts: 3620

I don't see anything unusual about the instrument or the engraving. Looks fine and authentic to me.
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_Happy Canuck · Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 7:12 am Post subject:

Only thing I can offer is it doesn't look like the Holton T650 Pocket Trumpet on the LeBlanc site??

http://www.gleblanc.com/instruments/query.cfm?model=T650

But they say it was bought orginally in 1997 so maybe a design change???

EDIT - from JimDonaldson's Gearhead site:
The most intriguing horn (and my favorite at least in a Platonic way), buried in the Holton catalog, is the Holton C150 pocket cornet (nice pictures of an older model are here), at seven inches in length, is the most expensive small brass instrument Holton offers. It is available in very limited qualities at a price (around $1700) equal to or more than the Benge and Kanstul. It is way cool. Take a look at the weird wrap. It is the shortest pocket available, I believe. I haven't played one but i understand that they play very well

http://www.dallasmusic.org/gearhead/Pocket%20trumpets.html

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bdev · Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 7:42 am Post subject:

It's a pocket cornet....not a trumpet.
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radiobob · Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 9:17 am Post subject:

I have a couple of Holton trumpets with script and it looks very nicely done. the signature on this looks like it was done with a home engraving kit. Considering how expensive these are I would be surprised if Holton would let it look so amateurish.

Bob

plankowner110 · Heavyweight Member Joined: 12 Jun 2003 Posts: 3620

It looks like all the engraving was done by hand, and not a stamp or laser. I remember when all engraving was done by hand on vintage horns- it wasn't perfect but was always very tasteful and classy. I think the engraving on this instrument looks just fine.

radiobob · Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 4:14 pm Post subject:

Well my point, and maybe I didn't do a very good job of making it, was that the signature does not look anything like the one on my Holtons or any other I have ever seen. Doesn't really matter, except maybe to whoever buys it.

Bob

atom_anderson · Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:21 pm Post subject:

It looked like the engraving was added by the original retailer of the instrument (Washington music) based on the receipt that was shown in one of the pictures. Has anyone ever played one of these?

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