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njp
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Anyone who went to the North American Championships will agree that the true NABBA champions were the Atlantic Brass Band. They played an amazing show and completely blew every other band out of the water. Too bad they were disqualified before they even competed. Now NABBA has the embarassment of sending a mediocre band to the World Championships instead of a real band.
Any thoughts?
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trumpetmike
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Welcome to the joys of Brass Band contests - not sure on the details of what happened (only the results seem to appear on the brass band news desks), but if they were trying to "nobble" a band behind the scenes, surely a d/q is in order?
At least it wasn't a terrible adjudication - they are quite common in the brass band world. |
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On 2004-04-25 03:11, trumpetmike wrote:
Welcome to the joys of Brass Band contests -
At least it wasn't a terrible adjudication - they are quite common in the brass band world.
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The NABBA contest is one (not the main) reason that I left the BB I used to play with. Lots of rehearsals and hard work to go somewhere and not get a fair judgement. I would have prefered we put that same effort into producing a CD instead.
I remember one year we really woodshedded the test piece and had all the composers intentions covered. For sure, we always had intonation problems, chipped notes, etc., but phrasing, dynamics and tempo's were rock solid. Especially the tempi. The conductor was always checking himself with a beat-meter. It's pretty tough to go to a contest and lose out a position when the judge comments that "this section was too slow" and "I'd like that section to be played quicker, you're dragging". I bow to all the judge's experience and expertise, but this bloke simply didn't know what he was talking about. I thought we/you should be judged against what the score required, not what he "felt".
It's been a few years now, so I don't know anything about ABB or that incident, but the whole NABBA contest thing seemed more like a chore then fun to me.
Others opinions may differ...........and I'm okay with that. 
Marty
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trumpetmike
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There was a great moment a few years ago at a ajor UK Brass Band contest where the adjudicator had given a very "interesting" decision. When he was talking about the performances he said that only one band had accurately interpreted the composers intentions, so they had been placed first.
Unfortunately for him, the composer was not just present but had been conducting a band.
The band came way down the rankings! |
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Aidan
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quote: "Now NABBA has the embarassment of sending a mediocre band to the World Championships instead of a real band"
What are these World Championships??
is it that music festival in kerkrade, holland that everyone means??
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trumpetmike
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Aidan - if there is a World Championship - will you be there?
It seems a bit odd not to have any knowledge of them in the UK - maybe this is like the World Series? |
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trumplyr
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I'd like to know about these world championships also. I forgot to ask that while I was composing my rant. I'm unaware (that doesn't mean much) of any NABBA bands competing on a world wide level.
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Aidan
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heh maybe you're right mike...
I'd like to think we'd be there if there was a competition with decent bands to play against though. The world music contest in kerkrade is more of a gathering of mediocre/decent dutch bands. Thats why hardly any bands from over here go, and the ones that do, go for the beer 
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trumplyr
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Beware, everyone, beware.
Through some very clever sleuth work, I have discovered that Aidan is really a...........gasp........horn player lurking here on the TRUMPET Herald web site.
Seriously though, welcome Aidan........this is a cool place, usually.
Marty
Edit: Boy, I just can't seem to spell tonight at all._________________
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trumpetmike,
What is "nobble"?
Thanks,
Phil
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trumpetmike
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One of these days I will stop using Britisms!
Possibly.
Nobble - to win over or outwit (a person) by underhand means.
Collins English Dictionary
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trombapaul2
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trumpetmike,
How come you get to use "Britisms" and play Mornington Crescent
but we can't talk hockey???? (yes, I know it has nothing to do with
NABBA - I apologize.....but still......)
Paul
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trumpetmike
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On 2004-04-27 00:35, trombapaul2 wrote:
trumpetmike,
How come you get to use "Britisms" and play Mornington Crescent
but we can't talk hockey???? (yes, I know it has nothing to do with
NABBA - I apologize.....but still......)
Paul
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Sorry, "Britisms" are part of the way we speak (the clue is in the word - look carefully ), sometimes they are only understood by a couple of people (probably me and Aidan in this case) - if I am asked I will explain them. It's not the first time I have been caught out on TH using a phrase that nobody else seems to understand.
No need to apologise (or apologize - bilingual at this end ) I can see where you are coming from. I was just answering a query arising from one too many crumpets, scones and jam.
And as for Mornington Crescent, great idea - fancy a game?
After being beaten by an American last time (still reeling from the shock!!) I am in the mood for revenge. |
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BrassChuck
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What ho, chaps.
I've just got back from puffing on a fag, though rumour has it that this may be detrimental to trumpet playing!
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trumpetmike,
Ahh, but I do understand them (I did get the BRIT-isms). I spent about a year
living in Canada, which I believe is still part of the Commonwealth (except for
Quebec I suppose), so I did pick up on a fair amount of lingual differences. I
know it's not the same is being in Britain but it's as close as I can get. As for
Mornington Crescent, I'm afraid I still have to figure that one out. Take care.
Paul
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nowherenearadoublec
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Wow. Brasschuck you can catcth things doing that!!
What part of the UK are you from? I am a Fifer so my lingo is sooo diferent!
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BrassChuck
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Hi Alan,
I am from the town of Leighton Buzzard which is in Bedfordshire. Some other near-by towns (incase you know any of them) ar Milton Keynes, Luton, Dunstable and Aylesbury.
I have only been north of the border once, last year when my band competed at the national finals in Dundee. We stayed at a hotel in Montrose.
I find it amazing how you don't have to travel very far at all in Britain to observe a huge differenct in accent / dialect. Just out of curiosity (I don't actually smoke), what slang words do you have for cigarettes in your area?
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| I wish someone would provide some detail as to the original post. I played in the ABB for 6 months and performed a concert with them as the opening act for the Black Dyke Band. I find the accusation hard to believe. |
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AverageJoe
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Yes, back to the original post...Why was the ABB disqualified? I know that in the past, NABBA was strictly a competition for amateur bands. There were stringent rules as to the number of professional players in a group, as well as what constitutes a professional player.... perhaps ABB did not fit the requirements? I can only speculate...
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