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improver
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| I play xeno 8335 rgm and i think for all around playing it has easiest blow ,best intonation and best sound and stability for every type playing. ive played the concept TT and it just dosent come close for me. Chime in please |
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_dcstep
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If you already "know" the answer for you, why are you asking the question? Maybe you should play a Xeno.
The Xeno and Concept TT are really very different in response and the same mpc will not work on both horns for many (most) of us. What mouthpieces do you use?
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bebop
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I would go with the Xeno given those 2 horns . The Selmer Concept TT is just to spread a sound for me. And it doesn't matter what piece I use. It's just not the sound I like. I think the Xeno is an excellent choice for all around type playing.
I do like the Selmer Chorus 80J much better than the Xeno RGS for jazz, and small group.
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_dcstep
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That makes sense Jim. I recommend the 80J for those wanting more "focus", which seems to be exactly what you need. The TT can be played with focus, but it does require backing way off. I'm very comfortable playing the TT in a "legit" setting, but many people will be more comfortable with the more pronounced focus of the 80J.
BTW, I haven't played an 8335, but I've played several 8335RGs and I owned a "Designer" 6335HS with large bell and rounded slide for many years and, more recently, a large bore 738 and a 6310Z. So, I think highly of Yamaha horns and have lots of experience with them.
The main difference I see in the 80J and TT vs. all the Yamahas is greater resonance and complexity of tone, along with easier dynamics. Yamahas and Selmers are both very well made, but I prefer the feel and style of the Selmers.
Dave
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_dcstep
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Oops, I see this is about the 8335RGM. I have played the an RGM and it's my favorite of the 8335s.
Dave
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livertwist
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Hi,
This is slightly off topic, but what are the differences between the Selmer Chorus and the Chorus 80J? As far as I can tell, the Chorus is the only model that offers a gold brass bell. I've heard they're dark - would this make it even darker? Has anyone played one?
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_dcstep
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I don't think that the Chorus is available in the USA. Maybe it can be purchased in Canada. One of your European member might be able to give a comparison. You might be able to buy one through WWBW-Europe if you want one.
I wish that Selmer Paris would make several more leadpipe and bell options available for the TT and Chorus in the USA. Right now there's only two real options available here, TT and 80J.
Dave
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| this is like a runner asking NIKE or ADDIDAS - find the one that fitys you and run with it! |
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surfhorn
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I was only able to play the TT for a couple of days..and not in a band setting. But I would definitely would play the TT in an intimate jazz setting or legit....the tone is just so beautiful- as is the matte gold finish.
Wish I could play it in a lead setting, though. |
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_dcstep
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Surfhorn, did you try a smaller mpc with the TT? That's a key to playing it for lead. I think it's got a nice sizzle. I'd use a different mpc on the jazz chair vs. the lead chair.
Of course, it still comes down to personal taste. In my experience, most TT players have gone to smaller mpcs compared to their previous horns, myself included.
Dave
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improver
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you got to be kidding. why did i ask the question. how about to get other opinions dcstep how does that work for you. i didnt know i had to answer to you. it is a open forrum isnt it. if you dont like the question you dont have to answer. incidentally for the regular person what would be
"complexities of tone. does that mean has a more important tone because it is a more important horn. |
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_dcstep
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On 2004-05-13 15:40, improver wrote:
you got to be kidding. why did i ask the question. how about to get other opinions dcstep how does that work for you. i didnt know i had to answer to you. it is a open forrum isnt it. if you dont like the question you dont have to answer.
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Please don't be offended. My point about why did you ask the question relates to your statement that you've played a TT and you own a Yamaha, but you're asking for opinions comparing the two. If you've already compared them and you've selected one, then why do you need opinions from the others of us that have played both? Of course, you're not required to reveal your motives, but a question such as yours would usually come from someone that hasn't played both. Generally in these matters (comparing horns) I say trust your own judgement and use the opinions of others mainly to narrow the search only.
If you'd be more specific about your concerns or curiousity or unanswered question (if there is still an open question), then maybe we could help address your concerns.
Best regards,
Dave
BTW, as I've said many times in other threads and this one, I thing the 8335RGM and RGMS are great trumpets.
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On 2004-05-13 08:30, livertwist wrote:
This is slightly off topic, but what are the differences between the Selmer Chorus and the Chorus 80J? As far as I can tell, the Chorus is the only model that offers a gold brass bell. I've heard they're dark - would this make it even darker? Has anyone played one?
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See http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16214&item=3724073201&rd=1
I can't tell you how it plays, but it's a Chorus for sure, at a good price.
Dave
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JOEG
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Just letting you know I recieved a Gold Plated Selmer Concept TT and a Brushed finish Selmer Concept TT....these play, sound and look great!!!!
Due to the high demand and long wait time, I do not expect these horns to sit for to long!!!
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_dcstep
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Joe, have you got any Concept TT flugels on the way? I'm thinking of ordering one, but I'm hoping to try one at ITG first.
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JOEG
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Hey,
Right now we do not have any of the flugelhorns on order, and I am not sure if we will in the near future at this time.
I will let you know as soon as I find out myself.
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