Good modern jazz musicians

hokeypokey · Regular Member Joined: 04 Jul 2004 Posts: 65

What are some good contemporary jazz musicians

No Chris Botti or any other smooth jazz crap please.

improver · Heavyweight Member Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Posts: 1456

Enrico Rava,Paule Fresu,Jeremy Pely,Dave Douglas,Alex Sipiagin,Wallace Roney.

Spede · Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 12:40 am Post subject:

Tomasz Stanko

big al · Regular Member Joined: 04 Jul 2004 Posts: 53

wayne krantz, uri caine, chris potter, nick payton

McH · Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 2:04 am Post subject:

Dave Ballou, Dennis Gonzalez, Eddie Henderson, Ryan Kisor, Ron Miles, Valery Ponomarev, Hugh Ragin, Jim Rotondi, Paul Smoker, Colin Steele.

Horatio Hornblower · Heavyweight Member Joined: 06 Jun 2004 Posts: 724

pfrank · Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 4:57 am Post subject:

Jon Hassell, Nils Pedr Molvear, Eric Trufaz

Horatio Hornblower · Heavyweight Member Joined: 06 Jun 2004 Posts: 724

Cuong Vu, Herb Robertson, Roy Campbell, BIll Dixon, Russ Johnson,Ron Horton, Ben Neill (inventor of the Mutant trumpet),Jeff Kaiser,Jon Hassell.....

trjeam · Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 6:31 am Post subject:

Danilo Perez

cookiemonster · Veteran Member Joined: 14 Jul 2004 Posts: 355

Chris Botti is not crap.

pfrank · Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:32 am Post subject:

You are right, Chris B is himself not crap, and neither is his sound or technique or his marketing/promotion efforts (including fashion shots with and without shirt on), but this thread is about modern jazz players...which I assume is about creating, and standing by, new forms of improvisational music, not commercial "smooth jazz". IF Chris Boti is making such music, it isn't being heard or promoted. I think that his choice of trumpet is his greatest contribution to new perspectives in trumpet playing.

cookiemonster · Veteran Member Joined: 14 Jul 2004 Posts: 355

Point taken.
Tim Hagans, Kenny Wheeler, Dave Douglas, Ralph Alessi, Cuong Vu, Dave Ballou,Herb Robertson, Tom Harrell, ............................Chris Botti:)

AverageJoe · Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:51 am Post subject:

Tim Hagans, Eric Alexander, Conrad Herwig.......

hokeypokey · Regular Member Joined: 04 Jul 2004 Posts: 65

Chris Botti makes music that I don't find very appealing. ie: Smooth jazz. He's the Chet Baker of our generation.

improver · Heavyweight Member Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Posts: 1456

Chris Botti is agood musician but idont get the comparison with Chet Baker other than the good looks.Chat was one of the top bebop players of that generation. Charlie Parker had an audition for his band in L.A,.and when 19 year old Chet came in and played he said audition over and sent 100 la tpt players home

cookiemonster · Veteran Member Joined: 14 Jul 2004 Posts: 355

Chris Botti is actually quite a be-bopper himself. Just ask Pat Harbison about that. Botti can do anything, Played with Sinatra, Buddy Rich, Sting, Jonie Mitchell, and He's also the trumpet player on all those ESPN things as well as "Nighline" and "Inside Edition." If you want to hear him play "modern Jazz" then you should check out Trumpets Eleven. It may not be Dave Douglas type music, but you get to hear him blow. I would also challenge anyone to find someone who is "modern" who has a resume like him or has been on the road 4 years straight playing the trumpet. People make choices in life, and that has been his path. I just think it is a little unfair to hate on someone if only one side of him is known. For all we know, he could have the nastiest Avante-Garde band anyone has ever heard and is just waiting till the moment is right to blow us all out of the water if. Or, he could just be enjoying life and doing what he likes. Either way, he is a very nice guy and doesn't really deserve to be labeled as lame because he does what he wants and enjoys it. Isn't that what we all want to be doing?

pfrank · Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 10:17 am Post subject:

The Botti issue comes up regularly; actually I met jgadvert because we argued about Botti and then began communicating on other professional trumpet/band issues.
Kenny Wheeler has just as impressive a list of credits...but when something has his name on it, it will be art, not muzak.
The fact that some musicians don't care for Botti or Kenny G or similar shouldn't be a surprise. We aren't the general public. I've read that Botti actually LIKES the stuff he puts out, and certainly he can play, but chooses to tread water for big bucks cause he's pretty.
I once owned one Botti album, ($9.98 sale) and it wasn't his playing that I (actually) hated...it was the total lack of interplay and the clumsy way the el. keybords and bass were played...(drums sounded like a machine) it sounded like they met that day in a studio and a producer was making the musical decisions. Also the trumpet wasn't loud enough, 1/2 was muted. It was SO contrived to be a certain product. In oither words, it was cr*p. Give me bad musicians playing sincerely any day.

cookiemonster · Veteran Member Joined: 14 Jul 2004 Posts: 355

Funny you should mention Kenny Wheeler. I know Kenny, not just from a clinic or something,but we actually speak often, and he is an incredible player and amazing guy. Last time I spoke to him, he said he was really digging Ryan Kisor, a guy who is probably in this post somewhere. Now I would not really consider Kisor on the level that Wheeler is at by any means, but it just goes to show that the guys who we love may be checking out the players you least expect. I figured that Kenny would not bother listening to other trumpet players at all as bad as he is. In response to botti "actually liking that music", well, he also likes Miles, Clifford, and studied with Woody Shaw for a while. SO WHAT if he is making money, he has seen the world, and has been able to become known for playing the trumpet. Botti can run circles around many players out there, but instead just sits there like a little zen master and plays music that makes you want to hear more. Can't wait to see what you have to say to the "Zen Master" Comment.
Peace. It's all in good fun anyway

pfrank · Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 11:40 am Post subject:

cookiemonster · Veteran Member Joined: 14 Jul 2004 Posts: 355

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