Bach 1 1/2C Comprable Lead Mouthpiece

AndrewS567 · Regular Member Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 20

What do you who use a Bach 1.5 C for your legit playing use to play lead/scream so that switching of the rims doesn't screw you up too much? Did anyone ever ask Bob Reeves to custom make you a lead piece with a 1.5 rim but with a lead cup (I'm thinking about doing that)?

cookiemonster · Veteran Member Joined: 14 Jul 2004 Posts: 355

I would actually try out some reeves mouthpieces first. They just have a really clean sound and the center that you need for lead work.

Haplo · Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 1:37 pm Post subject:

Hi,
I currently play lead on a reeves p10 with a bach 3C rim. I really like it because it gives me the sound and feel I want for lead without changing rims. There is a slight mis-match between rim and cup but I don't feel it.
What I did was sent Greg Black a p10 underpart and my back-up 3C. He cut the rim and threaded it so It will fit the underpart without altering the cup. I've had great results with it. The reeves purviance series make great lead mouthpieces but still offer incredible core to the sound in all registers. Hope this helps.

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leadlad · Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 3:26 pm Post subject:

I went from a Bach 1 1/2C to a Reeves 43S and had no problem at all. Reeves now has the 43.5 as well. I have a very wide marcinciwiecz that is shallow, it is the Roy Roman model 1.7E and a 43s69 if you are interested let me know.
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FlugelFlyer · Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:25 pm Post subject:

If you run a search from awhile back, I posted a thread with almost the same thread title. As it turned out, the Warburton 3S and 3SV models came highly recommended. They're pricey at $125 for top and backbore, but the rim on the 3S is especially comparable if I remember correctly except for the outer portion. As they allow you to tailor in the resistance and sound, they're definately worth a try. The other option is simply to have your 1-1/2C rim hacked and threaded to a compatible lead underpart. I'm not sure if you'll have to sacrifice your origional 1-1/2C, but it's also worth looking into. Let us know what your search yields!
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giakara · Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 11:52 pm Post subject:

I am with mike a warburton 3sv with kt bbore is the best solution for me

MUSICandCHARACTER · Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 1:27 am Post subject:

A less expensive solution if you just what to try something, is the 1.5 Lead FoKus mouthpiece. The FoKus LEAD mouthpiece has a #27(3.6mm) hole, and narrow back bore. The one centimeter long straightawayÊgives this mouthpiece great projection with predominant amount of high overtones.

One of he few stock mouthpieces that has a 1.5 rim with shallow cup and matching backbore. Check http://www.ibowtie.com/storefokus.html for more info.

Jim

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AndrewS567 · Regular Member Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 20

I head that Reeves does not stock a rim as large as a 1 1/2. How does the 43 and the 43.5 compare in size? Also, does the Wharburton 3 rim feel like the 1 1/2 rim (the inner rim diameter is the same but what about the outside)?

giakara · Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 11:43 am Post subject:

I belive Warburton 3 rim is better and more comfortable than Bach 1/15 , hope that helps

Regards

Mikeytrpt · Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 11:44 am Post subject:

I love the Reeves 43 rim for commercial work. It has just enough bite on the inner edge, but also enough support for the chops. The inner diameter is equal to a 3C

pfrank · Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 11:49 am Post subject:

Curry 1 1/2 Z or * is another possibility. Bach style rim on a shallow cup with zing.

mafields627 · Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:16 pm Post subject:

There is no way the Reeves 43 series is equal to a Bach 3C. It is bigger than all of my 3C's (four of them), bigger than my Bach 1 1/2C (large letters) and is the same diameter is my Stork 2C. The 43 series is a large diameter.
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leadlad · Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 6:50 pm Post subject:

I said earlier that I switched from a bach 1 1/2 to a Reeves 43s with no problem, but just out of curiosity I decided to check the chart at http://www.ibowtie.com/tmptmpccharts.html indeed the 43 is the same diameter as the Bach 1 1/2.
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DCB1 · Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 12:17 pm Post subject:

Look at the Warburton's. Same size and any depth you want to try!
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marty_seshul · Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 7:01 pm Post subject:

Check out monettes. Well, those are too expensive so check out kanstul's monette copies. I play on an MB4 which is similar to a 1.5B, same rim size but the cup depth is a little different. Kanstul has monette lead pieces too; MB4L, MB4LM, MB4LD, MB4LVS (lead, medium lead, deep lead, very shallow lead) all have the same rim as a bach 1.5
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Johnny-Highnote · Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 11:24 pm Post subject:

Also try out Laskey-the 70´s series has the same rim-contour like the Bach-1 1/2 C and it´s available in different cups! ( "S" is the flatest one!)

Greatings from Germany
Dennis

Lowell · Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 4:50 am Post subject:

Manfred Kinle just got a FoKus 1.5 ARTIST and FoKus LEAD 3 both woth #25 holes. Here are his comments.

"I got the FoKus LEAD 3/25 holed, mouthpiece on Tuesday, and thank you again. I had the chance to test it last weekend on 2 concerts. One with a Soul-Funk Rock Band and yesterday unplugged with a Big Band.

My results: Generally: Very good mouthpiece, as you described very powerful, no problem to play the two concerts without having practiced with it before.
For me: Throat size #25 is perfect.
Rim and cup geometry are perfect.
Rim diameter is a bit too small for me. I need a bit more room for extreme upper register playing.
Sound is a bit too bright for my sound concept; means back bore is a bit too narrow for me.
After this test and what I could read on your homepage I want to ask you: What do you think about an ARTIST 1.5 (because of the more open back bore) with #25 throat. (I meant that this combination could be fine for me)
Am I right that rim and cup are the same as with the FoKus LEAD?

Looking forward reading your answer,
Best regards
Manfred Kinle,
http://mk-trumpet.gmxhome.de/
Germany

Hello I got the FoKus ARTIST 1.5/25.

First test was quite positive. Though the difference in rim diameter between 3 and 1.5 is quite small it was exactly the change I needed. As I told you before I need a bit more room for my (not very small) lips for upper register playing, so, playing the range between High C and DHC is better now and as I can say so far, 1.5 is what I needed.
#25 Throat is perfect. Power and projection like crazy.
About my experiences with the slightly more open back bore, together with the bigger throat I can tell you after my next unplugged Big Band concert on August 29. So I also have a bit time to acclimate to it. I will mail you after that gig again. Because of the different rim sizes I can't make a statement about the difference between LEAD and ARTIST at the moment. But I will tell you whether the ARTIST hits my conception of big band lead and solo sound.
So far, thank you for your help, for making the ARTIIST 1.5-#25 for me, for your words and for your quick mailing.

Best Regards
Manfred Kinle
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Germany"

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JAZZ-PLAYER-COLLECTOR · Heavyweight Member Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 1154

Perfect piece for you 1 1/2 C players is the 1 1/2 D or even the 1 1/2 E.

Parduba double cup 6, 7 or 8 is great too! Tom in Texas
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jophst · Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 10:29 am Post subject: Mouthpiece switching

I agree with the above ... swithing to the same mouthpiece rim and diameter but alterring the cup , i.e. 1.5D, 1.5E. When I was in high school, I used to switch from a 3C to a Schilke 13A4a somehow without any problems. I don't think I would ever try that again though.

Some will say that for lead parts or picc parts that you should try a mouthpiece with a smaller rim AND shallower cup ... so a 7D or 7E in this case. You should go to a music store and see what feels right for you. Just make sure you don't bottom out on what you select. And please, whatever you do, DON'T buy Jet Tone.
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