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MPWall1 Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:58 am Post subject: School method book |
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For those of you who teach younger students (ages 9-14), have you found a method book that you like?
I generally teach my public school students like my private students; tube, long tones, etc. I've used Greg Wing's 20-minute routine as well. However, my admin wants a method book in place. Any recommendations?
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:25 am Post subject: |
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Mitchell on Trumpet series, Harold Mitchell.
Arbans (if you are going to lead them through it).
St. Jacome (ditto).
Horen, lessen, spielen (if you can get it).
Jazz Method for Trumpet, John O'Niell.
Studies for Trumpet, Rubank series.
100 Progressive Lessons for Trumpet, David Hickman.
Take your pick.
FWIW, I started with Arban and stayed in it with three different teachers, exclusively, until I got to college.
BTW, what is "tube"? _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Billy B Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:50 am Post subject: |
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Rubank Elementary/Intermediate/Advanced
Should satisfy the front office then do what you normally do. _________________ Bill Bergren |
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jhahntpt Heavyweight Member
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If you need a readily available method book, Sound Innovations is a great series that more and more public schools have been moving to recently. Short of that, the Rubank series is adaquate, Arban is too much too soon for that group, and the Hering series is a pretty decent sequence. _________________ Bb: Yamaha 9335NY Gen3
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MPWall1 Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:00 am Post subject: |
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Billy B wrote: | Rubank Elementary/Intermediate/Advanced
Should satisfy the front office then do what you normally do. |
Thanks, Bill. This is probably what I'm going to end up doing. I wasn't sure if Adam guys have actually had success with any books. I know Essential Elements comes with a CD so I'm tossing that around as well.
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Billy B Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:13 am Post subject: |
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Many of those Essential Elements type books are band methods and don't really address the problems/solutions of trumpet. _________________ Bill Bergren |
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MPWall1 Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:15 am Post subject: |
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Billy B wrote: | Many of those Essential Elements type books are band methods and don't really address the problems/solutions of trumpet. |
I agree completely. The Rubank series should be a good placeholder.
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MPWall1 wrote: | Billy B wrote: | Many of those Essential Elements type books are band methods and don't really address the problems/solutions of trumpet. |
I agree completely. The Rubank series should be a good placeholder.
Michael |
Placeholder my butt, you can actually use them for the intended purpose!
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boog Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:52 am Post subject: |
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Forgive me for being a bit dense, but it is not apparent if you are asking for suggestions for a full band method or a trumpet class method.
When I taught privately, a lot of the local band directors used the Rubank series for "passing off" exercises for grading purposes. It worked ok, but I never used it for a full band method, and don't recall anybody else who used it for a class method (full band).
In my beginner and intermediate band classes (back in the 70's at least), I had good results using the old Fred Weber "1st Division" method in full band classes. In my opinion, it was good for it's handling of things like introducing the register break to young (5th grade) clarinet players. Also it gradually eased the brasses up in range. I do not know if it is still in print or not, as I spent the last 15 years of my career teaching k-3 general music, and very little band.
Back when I was a kid, the Belwin method by Nilo Hovey was used quite a bit, and it was a decent band method. Again, I do not know if it is still in print.
The "Essential Elements" series was not as effective, IMO. All it had going for it was that it included easy band arrangements, and I believe had a set of CD's along with it. I thought it was sort of "lumpy" in it's progression, especially in it's handling of technical issues that young woodwind players face as beginners, and also left a few things to be desired for the brass student as well.
Although all of these methods qualify as "programmed texts", the EE series was the first one I saw that actually listed state standards and did satisfy the current "education-ese" of "research based" teaching, whatever that means. As a band director, I did my own "research', and my groups were "evaluated" by panels of experts in their field at a band contest. I got lots of "1's" at state and local festivals. I guess that did not qualify as research, not according to some administrators! Seems like that the current system emphasizes making band teachers (and other teachers as well) jump through hoops more than being creative artists and giving the gift of the arts to their students.
But, what do I know?
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:31 am Post subject: |
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Essential Elements and books like that have one advantage in that some of the tunes are more contemporary and more accessible to young players.
But there are compromises overall to accommodate (or ignore) many instruments' group playing and should not be confused with instrument-specific method books. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Ferg825 Regular Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:53 am Post subject: |
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In addition to my trumpet playing, I am also a middle school band director. I use Essential Elements as a full band method and each instrument gets supplemental stuff. For trumpet, both in school and privately, I find that the Getchell First Book of Practice Studies is really great material for this age, albeit kind of boring. _________________ Brian Ferguson
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rockford Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:18 am Post subject: |
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Take a look at any of Sigmund Herring’s books. Trumpet course 1-4. Lots of easy- medium duet, solo and song books too. _________________ Bill Siegfried
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SJMass Regular Member
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Have you looked at Gethcell's and directing them with different styles to play with? |
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EBjazz Heavyweight Member
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PH Bill Adam/Carmine Caruso Forum Moderator
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:13 am Post subject: |
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Yes. this is a really good resource! _________________ Bach trumpet artist-clinician
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mafields627 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:42 am Post subject: |
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The Rubank books do NOT correlate with each other, so it's not possible to use them in a full band setting. If I had homogeneous classes, I would totally use them.
For a full band setting, take a look at Band Fundamentals (www.bandfundamentals.com) -- they move slowly and use exercises to build up to the songs at the end of the page, don't introduce multiple new concepts on a single line, etc. There are some things that I wish they made more use of (dynamics and articulation specifically), but you can always supplement that. _________________ --Matt--
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:07 am Post subject: |
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Excuse my ignorance, but what is the correlation with this and Bill Adam? Maybe I just missed it? _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
"I wouldn't play like Wynton Marsalis even if I could play like Wynton Marsalis." Attributed to Chet
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Christian K. Peters Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:49 am Post subject: Band methods |
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Hello all,
I agree with Billy, about the Rubank series. I just wish the cover had a more modern, cool look. The Elementary book is a bit slow and tedious, but the Intermediate and advanced are good with some supplements. When i used the Band Today series, I found the Technic Today decent, enough to use that instead of the Elementary Rubank. I used Essential Elements in later years while most other teachers at the middle school band programs were getting on the Standard of Excellence band wagon. _________________ Christian K. Peters
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Billy B Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:35 am Post subject: Re: Band methods |
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Christian K. Peters wrote: | Hello all,
I agree with Billy, about the Rubank series. I just wish the cover had a more modern, cool look. The Elementary book is a bit slow and tedious, but the Intermediate and advanced are good with some supplements. When i used the Band Today series, I found the Technic Today decent, enough to use that instead of the Elementary Rubank. I used Essential Elements in later years while most other teachers at the middle school band programs were getting on the Standard of Excellence band wagon. |
You missed my point. I don't use or endorse the use of Rubank.
The series of books is something administrators would think useful. _________________ Bill Bergren |
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falado Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:59 am Post subject: |
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In my 6th grade class I start my trumpet players on Starting Trumpet Right by Bill Knivitt as soon as I can.
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