Teenage Forum

vivace · Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2002 5:27 am Post subject:

I just want to put in my two cents.

Sometimes it is harder to talk to older guys about things us teens face, seeing how there is the age gap and how times have changed (oh, why don't you take your date on a bikeride through the park.. what park.. what bikes??) But talking to other teens can just help us out.

For example.. Say i am learning the Carnival of Venice... a lot of you older guys can probably play it in any key backwards. But not a lot of us teens could.. it could be like a support group... yah, i am having trouble in measure 24 or whatever. We wouldn't feel as intimidated for saying a problem like that.

Also, other stuff... such as band camp stories, or trying to get a date while playing your horn.. i bet a lot of old timers don't wanna hear some of that stuff.. and teens could relate better with each other.

I am for it. If the old timers don't really care for it, they don't have to read it.

just my 2 (well.. many) cents
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trickg · Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2002 5:41 am Post subject:

I wish that I had a resource like this when I was a teenager. If I had a forum like this where I could have gotten good advice from older guys who have been there, done that, and know the score, maybe, just maybe I wouldn't have spent nearly so much time fumbling around trying to figure stuff out for myself. Heck, I've taken many nuggets of wisdom from this forum and applied them to my playing for the better just in the last six months and I'm waaay past teenager status!

I do agree though that for the younger players, it would be neat to have a place to hang out and talk to others that really understand things on their level. Creating a teenage forum wouldn't mean that the rest of the Herald would be ignored, only that a safe haven exists for the younger generation.
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spanky · Heavyweight Member Joined: 18 Jul 2002 Posts: 535

i think we should have dr. laura moderate the forum. she can help us work thru these issues.

Nicholas Dyson · Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2002 6:40 pm Post subject:

Hello all
I'm more than a teenager, but not really. Today is 27 years for me. tell me happy birthday!

Anyway, I'm not against teens having a place to hang and shoot the..... I think it's a great idea, and if it makes our younger brethern happy, or happier, then there's your answer.

What I would say to the younger folks around here is this:

Don't get it stuck in your head that we don't know what it's like for you. We've all been there. We've all (and continue to) had our jaws dropped by amazing stuff like Maynard Fergeson and the Carnival of Venice. It's statements like that that make it so by the time you've asked a question, you're already on the defensive. I don't have any idea, or time to put the thought into how that whole ugly circle got started.

So, if the point of the teen forum is to hang with people that are soley focused on the extremely high, loud and fast playing, great. Have a blast. I'll be hangin.

But, playing the horn correctly can prove to be difficult with even the best guidance, nevermind giving advice with little experience to back it up. There are CENTURIES worth of knowledge that are available, if you choose to ask the right way. It just seems to me that most 'kids', or young adults ask questions with air of 'I already know this, and I'm testing YOU'. The older and experienced folks have not only lived through all the wide ranging emotions you are currently going through, but they've probably spent a good amount of time teaching, clinicing, performing for and with cats your age. I'd much rather practice than try to CONVINCE someone of anything. You're best bet for QUALITY information is from this group of people.

If your issue is 'having to translate to adult', then you're cutting your nose off to spite your face. You're saying you want answers or thoughts from these guys but only if they can hang with your slang? That's silly and you know it.

As far as using words like 'fag'. That word has embedded itself in pop culture as a slang term. People seem to throw that and 'gay' around an awful lot. My take - you have NO idea how painful a word that can be for some people. some of them very close friends of mine. You wouldn't walk into a NAACP meeting and use ****** as a slang word would you? Yeah, it is on the same level. It's just a matter of the particular demographic you're trying to DEMEAN. It's a horrible and hateful word and you all should make it your business to see that it stops. I know I try.

Alright. Sorry for the rant. Again, I'm all kinds of supportive for you guys to have your own hang. Just don't pull the wool over your own eyes while trying to convince Todd to let you have it.

I would also invite you to save and archive all the posts made. Then come back in 10 years and see what your perspective is then. You don't think it will be, but it most definately will be different. Best of luck!!!!!!!!!!
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Nicholas Dyson · Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2002 6:56 pm Post subject:

Yo
Also in this Comments & Suggestions forum is another post by Tim Surrency suggesting an Elementary, Novice and Comeback player forum. I think it's a great idea, what about you guys?
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trjeam · Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2002 7:05 pm Post subject:

Goldenchops55 · Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2002 9:43 pm Post subject:

spanky · Heavyweight Member Joined: 18 Jul 2002 Posts: 535

hey chops,

i appreciate you not throwing me in with that 60's crowd, maybe i'm not "old", then again, roddy says i am "old", what a mess, who to Believe??

anyway,
the "older" guys have more "street" smarts than you think they do. i don't think the issues are that much different, they are just in a different package.

[ This Message was edited by: spanky on 2002-07-26 10:36 ]

Nicholas Dyson · Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2002 11:40 am Post subject:

trickg · Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2002 11:59 am Post subject:

I'm almost 32 but I still feel like a kid. We have a summer intern at work who is 20 and sometimes when we are talking, I have to remind myself that I'm 12 years older than he is and there are things that I remember and talk about that he just doesn't know. I'm such a kid that we get along great anyway.

HS doesn't seem like it was that long ago and I feel like I'm still fairly in touch with what's going on with HS kids now. Of course this is probably the first sign of senility, but I do try and stay on top of things and playing in public all of the time helps that.

I still think though that having a HS or teenage forum would be a good thing because everyone, especially at that age, feels like they need to have something that is theirs.

Should we start an "Old Farts" forum for those over 40 or 50?

(Note: please don't be offended by these comments, I'm only having some fun"
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Nicholas Dyson · Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2002 1:10 pm Post subject:

Good post Patrick. I think you hit the nail on the head. The Young 'uns always want something for just themselves. I remember that...

The thing that is so frustrating for me is that I can now see from better perspective. I guess it's part of the purgatory to have to watch the following generations claim to be re-inventing the wheel. I remember (and now my face is totally red) screaming at my mum, telling her she didn't know what's it's like and so on and so forth. The frustrating part is that you CANNOT tell someone with this attitude that they have this attitude. They CAN'T hear it. They HAVE to live it to find out.
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pfrank · Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2002 1:36 pm Post subject:

Some 14year olds are old farts allready, and some people with higher numbers never loose the ability to see things anew...
I've met more age-ist young people than old though, because they haven't yet experienced that fact. They are still categorizing people and sorting through things.
The best thing that comes from experience is the gaining of greater stillness. With more calmness, more energy can flow through. That's where the authority of adults comes from!
This is also another of the lessons that old fart, Miles Davis embodied.

SHS_Trumpet · Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2002 9:39 pm Post subject:

Quadruple C · Heavyweight Member Joined: 28 Nov 2001 Posts: 1448

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SHS_Trumpet · Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2002 5:40 am Post subject:

_bugleboy · Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2002 6:28 am Post subject:

Actually, the Lounge seems to be acting as a fairly efficient teenage forum already. TH is the moderator, who hardly ever steps in, so what more could anyone possibly want?

Besides, aren't there plenty of teen hangs on the Net already?

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Lex Grantham · Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2002 9:13 am Post subject:

I can see where people of different age groups feel much more comfortable when they are able to converse with others of the same experience levels. Those peers may have similar problems and joys concerning accomplishments and probably need and desire encouragement from each other for jobs well done and/or "stay in there, for it will eventually happen for you if you..." (just an example).

However, do not discount older (more experienced) persons' interests in wanting to offer some (hopefully) good advice to help younger folks' dilemas...in trumpet playing or other attempts in life. Everyone needs a helping hand more than once.

I am the music director of a county-wide orchestra (really more of a band that may have a few strings added eventually) in Wood County, East Texas (about 100 miles east of Dallas). The personnel ranges from high school players (who are also in their own high school bands) through adult (some are retired but happy to continue making music). I am experiencing that the younger players are learning from the older players and (I think) vice versa. But that is what really must happen to exist and improve the organization as a whole.

What I am essentially saying is that we can all learn from one another, if that can be a possible scenario in our own situations. It does not imply someone horning in on another's wishes (or privacy)...just an attempt to share one's good fortune (in learning) with others. Even those players who can help others must continue to grow and improve within their own lives, and they will seek and ask for assistance if necessary.

And I strongly feel that being ladies and gentlemen as much as humanly possible is a wonderful trait to possess.

Sincerely,

Lex Grantham

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trickg · Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2002 9:23 am Post subject:

funkymonkey · Regular Member Joined: 10 Dec 2001 Posts: 65

The primary reason that I come here is to get advice from the older, more experienced players. I think by having teenagers, or the less experienced players giving "advice" to each other, it may not turn out as it should. For the non-trumpet playing talks like "girls are attracted to high playing chops" or anything like that, there are millions of chat rooms on the internet...

Just my idea.. btw, I'm a teenager too that is not in favour of the teenager forum.

dawnfrenzy · Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2002 7:11 am Post subject:

i think i heard about this idea a while back, one of the comments was spot on. Then this new teen forum cane be like "the blind leading the blind".

If you come here for advice, go to those with the experience and skill to give advice. Having said that a forum for under 18's is a good idea to discuss anything else. How about an Underage Lounge?
Just make sure that people know that advice there might not (and might is the crucial word here) be backed by as much experience as elsewhere.

What would be better is to have a forum where under 18s can ask questions to trumpethearald members that have proven themselves to have the experience, skill, common sense and maturity, (no matter what age this is can always be a problem) to answer the questions.

Then again maybe we can just allow anyone who thinks, feels, or is, under 18 to use the forum freely.