bobby shew z horn

akaultragman · Regular Member Joined: 07 Feb 2005 Posts: 21

does anyone have one and if they do tell me how is the range and the sound on it. good or bad horn. thanks
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cujazztrpt · Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 8:14 pm Post subject:

Some guys thinks it's too stuffy,,,some guys think it's great,,,,played by some pros plyed by students too. I liked it when I tried one and liked it but I don't own one. Try one and find out.

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belagozzo · Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 10:38 pm Post subject:

I have one, and love it...Yes at first I thought it was stuffy, but that was when I Just Blew air in it Thru the Mouthpiece...but it is soo much different when you play one it.

I have had others play on my horn and like it too, but the only problem that I have seen with the Z is, that if you dont use Proper Air Support, the Horn will not be your best friend. When using the right air, the horn lets you flow through out the entire range that you are capable of.

The big difference for me is the upper register of the horn. I am an Ex-Schilke, and Yamaha Mark II player, both were great in the Normal Ranges of the horn, but just like my Bach Stad, they really didnt slot into place when I would play High E and above to Double C(not saying I rip Double Cs)...I just had to work Harder for the higher notes on the schillke.

I dont know maybe its due to the fact that the Z has a .445 bore, but dont let that make you think, that the horn is Bright or Edgy sounding because it is Not. Alot of other trumpet players see the bore size, and turn their heads, and some what did at 1st considering I have usually played on .468 bores, but for some reason, this Light Weight, Medium Bore Trumpet has a Huge sound, providing you use the right air. Dont cheat the Horn of Air, and the Horn wont Cheat you of a great Sound.
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swingintrpt · Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 11:55 pm Post subject:

I played one of the 8310Zs at NAMM, and if I were shopping for a Bb that I could bring on every gig, I'd give this one a long, hard look. It's a REALLY great instrument. It's impossible to describe it in reference to other horns, so just go play one. By the way, it does NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT play like the 6310z. Also, make sure you play/buy the laquer version. The silver one plays like a Buick.
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ford850 · Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 7:18 am Post subject:

I owned a 6310Z and really liked the sound but for me it was way too tight and played very differently than my other horns... looks like I am in the minority here

. It didn't handle well for me either. I sold it to a friend as a backup who already owned one (he loves 'em) and later he traded it in for an 8310Z and is quite happy.
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Yammie · Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 8:07 am Post subject: 8310Z

I tried the 6310Z and 6310ZS several times, but couldn't get used to them. But I just got an 8310Z that was tweaked by Bobby, and it's a marvelous horn.

I have always used big equipment. I went from a CG Benge to a Large bore (.463) Yamaha 6340ST, which I'm told is based on the Schilke X3. I played that Yamaha for almost 20 years. I'm primarily a lead player.

After a break of a few years following my move from Orlando to Maine, I got the horn back out this January and have been beating my face for a few hours a day minimum. (I'm not willing to play like a weekend warrior, so until I was committed to keeping my face in top shape, I left the horn in the case. What was intended to be a few month break to let scar tissue heal became a few years before I realized it.) I got back to baseline chops on the 6340ST (note to self - never take more than a few days off again - rebuilding chops hurts!). Then I bought the 8310Z. The only thing I had to retrain myself is not to lean on the horn as much as I'm used to - the volume is there, I just don't have to work as hard. This is a Good Thing.

Rangewise, it's got a little better upper register for me. More specifically, the notes from G to double D slot better and speak more easily. It's also easier to get my target sound in the middle register. I confirmed on a visit with an old buddy in FL this past week that the volume is still there, and it projects as well or better as the 6340ST did. Not that I'm called on to use it much, but the low register is a lot fatter too.

I like it enough that I bought a second one as a backup! It's a significantly different horn than the 6310Z, I'm guessing because of the new bell, and I love it.
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BobD · Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 2:06 am Post subject:

A few people in the past have said the Z horn is bright and edgy. Now, in this thread some people are saying it a very warm horn with a fat sound. Which is it? A dark or bright?
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Tom LeCompte · Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:36 am Post subject:

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gregc · Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:02 am Post subject:

I have a 6310Z. I play a 3C cup and the horn can sound nice, warm, and fat.... if and when you back off let the horn just play. Put a little muscle into it and and it can sizzle like a great rock band horn. Personally, I had to work a bit on relaxing and backing off. The horn is very efficient.
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BobD · Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:10 am Post subject:

Since the Z is such an efficiant horn would it be possible for someone who is comfortable on a 3C to go even larger and still maintain the same range and endurance?

Also as you go up into the higher range will the horn ONLY sizzle or can it maintain a fatness/fullness to the sound?
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bent tubing · Veteran Member Joined: 31 Jan 2005 Posts: 119

i own a 6310Z and i think it's a great trumpet. i haven't played the 8310Z but from what i've heard (just hear-say) (not confirmed) a rumor that Bobby Shew was emphsymatic and needed a trumpet that could compensate for the shortness of breath and i think that it is easier to blow than alot of big bore trumpets because of the .445 bore but anyway don't take my word for it . test drive one for yourself and from what i hear on this forum i may want to try out the new 8310Z just for the fun of it, or for comparison's sake. i like the Z

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gregc · Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:55 pm Post subject:

I also tried a 1.5C. I loved it. The horn sounded great; big, full, fat~
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FDC05 · Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:05 pm Post subject:

I have a 6310ZS that I was trying to sell for a while. I still may sell it once I get my new horn from Fred Powell, but I'm not sure yet. It took me a while to get used to, but I am able to use it in big band/rock band stuff. I dont think I would ever bring it into a wind ensemble or orchestra setting. It does have a nice sound, but once I get into the upper register and really pump air, it brightens up much quicker than my other horn.

The mouthpiece reciever gap is also smaller on the 6310ZS than on my bach, so it does play a little different. It's an okay horn for lead stuff, but I have never really been sold on yamahas.... sorry.
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Pete · Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:43 am Post subject: Shew Z horn

I've had an 8310Z since October '04. I've played on a lightweight (43 bell/43 leadpipe) Bach for years, except for the occasional stray from it. I owned a 6310Z for a while, but it was too tight for me. The 8310Z to me doesn't feel like the same horn as the 6310Z. The slot is bigger, and the sound has more color or overtones to it. I am very pleased with the new version. It is as versitile as my lightweight Bach, but I don't have to kick it as hard to play it.

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BobD · Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 8:35 am Post subject:

Pete,

I'm in MA too. Where did you buy your horn? Did you try a few Z's before you settled on this one?
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