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BengeBoy
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:29 am    Post subject: I know this is TH, but I need help choosing an alto sax! Reply with quote

This is the lounge, so (almost) anything goes

My youngest son is in the 4th grade and starting the alto saxophone. I know trumpets, but I don't know saxophones! Can anyone recommend a good student alto saxophone?

My local sales & rental places recommend these:
Yamaha YAS-23
Selmer AS300
Selmer AS500
Vito 7131

Thanks in advance for your help,
Tim
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

<getting popcorn, and sitting in comfy chair> This should be good.



Seriously,
I would imagine it's hard to beat Yamaha. I have not been impressed with selmer beginner trumpets, I don't see why sax's would be any different.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yamaha's are good. Ask eric... he will know better.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who's Eric?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm Eric.
Bengeboy....
I've played a few saxes, and I know stuff about them....
I'd go with the Yamaha. they're decent, reliable, and a good student horn in general. I have one myself that i've had for over 6 years, and have only had to get it repaired I think once.
the Selmers are terrible. They make great proffesional horns, but their student stuff sucks. Vito is just a bad horn, it's under the Selmer name, and they're very low quality horns, they break very easily.
go w/the Yamaha.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do not rent a sax! And do not buy a beginner saxophone! I still don't understand why beginner saxophonists blow $1,500+ on a new student model sax when they can get a used pro model sax in decent condition for half or less the price. Most likely your son will continue playing the sax for a while, so if I were you, I'd buy a cheap pro model sax- Yanagisawa(what I play), Yamaha, Selmer, or a vintage Buescher True Tone, Aristocrat, or a King Zephyr. Check Saxontheweb.net, or eBay for some great deals on saxes. So, do your son a favor and buy him a sax. PM me if you have any more questions.

Thanks,
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd recommend doing what I said above, but if you have to buy/rent a student model sax from a local music store, then definately go with the Yamaha. BTW, how much are you willing to spend?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My son is a pretty decent sax player, and the only student model he finds playable is the Yamaha YAS-23. Also, they're durable, which is good considering how fragile these things are in the hands of a kid. He has a vintage Martin which sounds great, but it constantly needs minor adjustments. We got his Yamaha YAS-62 (a pro horn) on eBay for $1200 in like new condition. After 3 years of constant use in high school (including marching!) it has never been in the shop. For a 4th grader, either rent from the school ( my kid's school is only $35 a semester) or buy a used YAS-23 on eBay. Odds are, he'll either quit or change instruments within a year or two, so at least you can get your money back out of it. And if he stays with it, it'll be fine at least into high school.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:25 pm    Post subject: Re: I know this is TH, but I need help choosing an alto sax! Reply with quote

BengeBoy wrote:
This is the lounge, so (almost) anything goes

My youngest son is in the 4th grade and starting the alto saxophone. I know trumpets, but I don't know saxophones! Can anyone recommend a good student alto saxophone?

My local sales & rental places recommend these:
Yamaha YAS-23
Selmer AS300
Selmer AS500
Vito 7131

Thanks in advance for your help,
Tim


Tim,

All of my beginner sax players use the Yamaha YAS-23. At one time I was using the VITO 7131 but we had a problem with quality control. The two instruments are basically the same design with a different finish and different case.

Over the years they have tried to say that they are different, but they are actually 99.9% the same. I have found that the horns coming from Yamaha have had better QC over the past 5-7 years.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tim, I have no usefull advice on which sax is best for a beginner (I know a bit about pro level sax's but not much) I'd say do a Google search to find a Saxophone forum or two (hey, there are trumpet forums, there must be sax forums right?) the members there will probably have a lot more usefull advice than the few sax players that post here. No offence intended to our sax playing members.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Find a used Yanagisawa (or professional model Selmer).
There are guys who deal just in vintage horns.
The sellers of student saxes often give you less than the total picture.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup id say yamaha too...apart from being a good horn for students and being durable, if ur son decides sometime in the near future that he doesnt want to continue, a well-known brand will be a lot easier for you to sell second hand....

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and www.saxontheweb.net is a good sax forum
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Yamaha YAS-23 can take a (student) beating and keep ticking. I've had to keep my students' saxes in working shape and the YAS-23 seems to be like a '55 Chevy - it breaks and you can get it back playing w/out having to send it to the shop for major surgery.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TrumpetersClarinettingSis wrote:
and www.saxontheweb.net is a good sax forum
Yes it is! They'll hook your son up with a pro model sax for porbably under $700. That's where I've bought a few of my saxes. Great info resource too.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clarino wrote:
Tim, I have no usefull advice on which sax is best for a beginner (I know a bit about pro level sax's but not much) I'd say do a Google search to find a Saxophone forum or two (hey, there are trumpet forums, there must be sax forums right?) the members there will probably have a lot more usefull advice than the few sax players that post here. No offence intended to our sax playing members.


Here are some that I belong to:

saxontheweb.net (Awesome forum, great info resource as well)
forumofthesaxes.myfreeforum.org (My own sax forum, we'll gladly help you out)
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yamaha YAS 52's are decent intermidiate horns.
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Yamaha YAS 52's are decent intermidiate horns.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stick with the newer student level horns. If you can find one that is used, even better cause its the same great horn at a lower price.

Student Horns are student horns because they designed with the young and new to it in mind, ad are designed to withstand alot more abuse, and to be as easy to play as possible.

As for the ones in your list above, the yamaha is GREAT. It is extremely versatile little horn, and actually can be played all the way through university. My sax proffesor at Ohio State, his main tenor was a Yamaha Student horn, and he's been playing basically forever!

So good luck in whatever you choose!

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

musicman77 wrote:
Do not rent a sax! And do not buy a beginner saxophone! I still don't understand why beginner saxophonists blow $1,500+ on a new student model sax when they can get a used pro model sax in decent condition for half or less the price. Most likely your son will continue playing the sax for a while, so if I were you, I'd buy a cheap pro model sax- Yanagisawa(what I play), Yamaha, Selmer, or a vintage Buescher True Tone, Aristocrat, or a King Zephyr. Check Saxontheweb.net, or eBay for some great deals on saxes. So, do your son a favor and buy him a sax. PM me if you have any more questions.

Thanks,
David


people do the same thing with trumpets man.. I know a kid that wasted 1200 dollars on a bach tr something... why spend that kind of money on a intermediate horn when you can get a great quality pro horn for the same or lesser price.. it just doesn't make sense to me either.
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