Mark VanCleve, Did I get burned again?

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About 7 years ago I ordered "Zen And the Art Of Trumpet Playing" from VanCleve's web sight and never got the book, then years later I heard he had some problems etc. etc. so I just blew it off ( BTW the check was cashed) recently I saw some activity at his web sight and still a page to order his books, thinking he must be back I again ordered the above book through paypal, that was Aug.14 and still havent seen the book.........did I get screwed again?!? Anyone with some inside info or advice would be greatly appreaciated.

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retcnihps · Veteran Member Joined: 25 Sep 2005 Posts: 195

Ya you probably got burned again. I was burned by him a couple of years ago as well. I just gave up. It wasn't worth it to me. Why don't you try contacting him or posting a message on his trumpetplayeronline.com . It seems to be up and running. This week anyway

I know this. I would never buy a horn off him. There is a good chance you will never get it.

Wildman · Heavyweight Member Joined: 27 Jan 2005 Posts: 513

I was told by some people at the Selmer factory some years ago that when he was a tester they never knew ifhe was going to showup or not.

wvtrumpet · Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 5:12 pm Post subject:

sounds to me like a major screw up!!! Can he play?
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gms979 · Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:02 pm Post subject:

I ordered something from him (one of his books, maybe?) back in the late 90's and it never arrived....glad to know I'm not alone in my experiences here.

Greg

Guy NoVa · Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:07 pm Post subject:

I ordered some of his books online about 6 months ago. Never got them. I've sent several emails -- no luck.

If I ever get some some free time I plan to file a complaint with the attorney general of whatever state he does business in.

There have been a few TH threads about this guy -- a search on his name will turn them up. I wish I had read them before sending him any money.
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308WIN · Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:53 am Post subject:

How did you pay? Nail him for fraud.

Otherwise, I think it's a case of "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...."

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Virtuoso2B · Regular Member Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Posts: 26

I guess I'm one of the lucky ones who did recieve the books I ordered from him. I guess it was in 96 or 97 when I was in highschool. Is it proper for me to send photocopies of the books to those who never recieved theirs? Technically they DID pay for them

On a side note, Book 1 does have alot of great stuff in it. Book 2 is a little ridiculous. It's ALOT of extended register drills. Good exercises I'm sure, but I never got past book 1. :-p

eb1ch · Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:12 am Post subject:

do it. I ordered it for a gift (kind of as a joke) for a high note playing friend of mine. Instead I got him a stupid card.

Do it.

fuzzyjon79 · Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:54 am Post subject:

I think Mark should hire someone to take care of his books for him. It seems as though there is a high demand, so he could afford to hire someone to take care of that for him.
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Mikeytrpt · Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:05 am Post subject:

I have a copy of each book also.......

I guess I got lucky.

Trptbenge · Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:06 am Post subject:

I have known a couple of guys who got scammed by him. If the story at Selmer is true then he is just an unreliable person as well as a scammer. Past behavior is the best way to determine future behavior.

Do the PDF! I would be interested in the book. The books appear to be unavailable anyway. Since no one is able to buy one anymore.

Mike

Mikeytrpt · Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:56 am Post subject:

I must say I do use his books a lot. Very "Adam-like", and I mean that as a complement.

hose · Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 12:06 pm Post subject:

A few years ago I ordered both books and sent him a check. He cashed the check. A number of months went by and no books. I sent a bunch of e-mails that were not acknowledged. After complaining to a bunch of friends about my treatment, one of them copied the two books and sent them to me. About a year and a half after the order was placed the books showed up in the mail!

Beats the h--- out of me how Mark operates.....

Certainly not in the real business world.

308WIN · Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 2:01 pm Post subject:

drincredible313 · Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 2:20 pm Post subject:

Mark apparently is living here in my town, where he grew up, but I still haven't seen him on the gig (I've been in and out of town for the last few years) I know he's been called to sub on some jobs I'm familiar with, though, so I know he's around here somewhere. I've never had any interaction with him, so I don't know what to tell you.
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eb1ch · Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:48 pm Post subject:

I'll host them on mine as well.

trpthawaii · Veteran Member Joined: 07 Feb 2005 Posts: 124

Hey guys, two wrongs don't make a right. Mark Van Cleave is a friend of mine and though I have no answer as to why some books have not been mailed or have been slow in being shipped, I know he has no criminal intent and doubt he'd appreciate having his copyright violated. Some of you have talked of bringing fraud charges against Mark for not mailing you his book. Well, I teach music business and copyright and can tell you that intentional violation of copyright carries a federal fine of up to $150,000 PER VIOLATION (that would be $150K for Each and Every download of the book). If you have gripes with Mark and want to know where your book is, his website is

http://markvancleave.com/

His email address is:

mark@markvancleave.com

Mark isn't a copyright nazi and I doubt he'd actually sue anyone that does post a pdf of his book. I know of one publisher that sold illegal copies of his books already and Mark let bigones be bigones. (that bogus publisher was a cause of some of the non delivered books). A pdf might actually be a good idea for those of you who haven't received a book or are curious but don't trust sending him your money. All I can suggest is that you contact him and try to work out the situation amicably.

Mark Minasian