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KevinPierce Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:27 am Post subject: What mouthpiece did Mendez use? |
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What type of mouthpiece did Mendez use? |
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StevenPSparks Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 3:23 am Post subject: |
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Bach 10 1/2C, I believe _________________ Sparks in Daytona
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KevinPierce Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:30 am Post subject: |
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Wow, how could someone get that nice of sound from such a small mouthpiece. I hear doc played on one of those at one point also. |
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StevenPSparks Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:41 am Post subject: |
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Like many of us, I think that it's pretty common knowledge that Doc is a mouthpiece junkie. I also think that there is something to be said for the adage that no matter what MP you play on, you will always sound like yourself. I have heard others that had equally amazing sounds on 10 1/2Cs & similar sized 'pieces, and am constantly amazed (although I shouldn't be...lol) _________________ Sparks in Daytona
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oj Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:19 am Post subject: |
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Yes, a Bach 10 1/2 C
- but also an Olds Mendez #1 (anyone know the size of that one?)
Btw, his horns were:
* French Besson Brevette
* Olds Mendez (a Besson copy)
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trpt.hick Rafael Méndez Forum Moderator
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:41 am Post subject: |
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As always, OJ is correctomundo! |
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AverageJoe Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:00 am Post subject: |
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I've got a few old 10-1/2C's laying around, as well as an Olds Mendez model. They are very similar.
Paul _________________ "Every time I hear you play, you sound better than the next..." |
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murph66 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Jan 2004 Posts: 907 Location: Clinton, MS
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:11 am Post subject: |
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http://rouses.net/trumpet/olds.htm
Try this web site- On the left hand side of the page, there's a way to go to a site that has the specs of both the Mendez 1 and Mendez 2 mouthpieces
I have a Mendez 2, but dont use it as the tone is a little bright for what I usually play. The range and endurance are great, though. It is a small diameter mouthpiece. I have never played a Mendez 1, in fact I have never seen one, and they are not usually for sale in the marketplace or on ebay. |
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oj Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:45 am Post subject: |
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Paul,
I'm not surprised if the Bach and Olds piece are very similar. Could you say more about what the difference are?
If you look up the specs of Mendez #1, #2 and the Cornet mpc (at the Olds site - thanks murph66!):
http://rouses.net/trumpet/olds_specs/mendez_mpc_spec.htm
.. could someone perhaps explain some of the numbers in laymans term?
The number 5-20-52, I think I understand? The date: 20th of May 1952
Ole
P.S. I see no mention of "alfa angle" |
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bulos Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Aug 2002 Posts: 515 Location: Davie,Fl by way of Clifton, NJ
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:49 am Post subject: small |
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KevinPierce wrote: | Wow, how could someone get that nice of sound from such a small mouthpiece. I hear doc played on one of those at one point also. |
There have been plenty of others to play mouthpieces in the 10 1/2 area and I think they got pretty nice sounds; Clifford Brown, Timofie Dockshitzer, and Conti Candoli to name a few. _________________ Marquis de Sade: "In art, one has to kill one's father." |
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Tim W Veteran Member
Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 263 Location: Bay City, MI- Ft. Myers, FL
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 7:22 am Post subject: |
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Yes, a 10 1/2 C... I played on this one, too, back in the day and when I started my "comeback" I wondered how I was ever able to play the thing!
3C and 6M Giardinelli's today! _________________ Professional Engineer
Olds Trumpets
62 Ambassador- modified
62 Opera C
62 Mendez
05 Conn V1- rev l/p
CKB and Laskey mouthpieces
and, YES, I want a Destino, "Thang", 993, and last but not least, a Powell |
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Hank New Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:48 pm Post subject: Mendez Mouthpiece |
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No doubt in my mind: Mendez used a Mendez #1. It was based on a Bach 10 1/2 C but redesigned to his specs. Olds, needless to say, was happy to build them for him ( along with numerous horns) and consequently had a very "Olds" look about it. There was also a #2, but I don't know where it lived in the scheme of things size-wise. I have two of the #1s; the trumpet version Rafael gave me and the cornet version I had to hunt all over the planet for many years later. As was often the case, Mendez would hold imprompto clinics backstage during his performances at high schools. I was not yet in high school when I was privileged to meet and have him pretty much to myself for the better part of his 45 minute break between his solos. (He usually played two solos in the first half of the concert--intermission-- and then closed with two more at the end of the second half) The rim on that MP is a chop cutter--really sharp and not much of it. Nevertheless, I used the MP for many years figuring maybe some day I could be the next RM . . . yeah right! Well, that sure didn't happen, but the dream was great while it lasted. I then needed the #1 cornet MP as the band I was in in HS only used cornets, (other than solo work)
That all happened a long time ago. I never saw him again but spoke with the grand gentleman several times on the phone. It feels almost like yesterday, even though I am now 64. I still recall the thrill of listening to every word he had to share with a young kid who just wanted nothing more than to play the trumpet. Now after not playing at all for a little over 15 years, I am back in the saddle again . .. the mouthpiece I now use is Parduba; ironically the #5 is a 10 1/2C (+/-) on the bottom under a primary cup with a fat rim. The piece works very well for me and has allowed me to enjoy playing my horn all over again. It just doesn't get any better than that! |
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Tom Jensen New Member
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In 1963 I was fortunate to attend one of his concerts.Before it started we were allowed to get autographs and to talk with Mr.Mendez, I held his horn while he signed my program.The mouthpiece looked to be a Mendez style like my own,I owed a Mendez trumpet with the #2 mp and didnt like it.He carried two horns with him in a double case,during the concert he also looked to be changeing mouthpieces from his coat pocket? [/list][/list] |
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Nos Mo King Veteran Member
Joined: 10 Feb 2008 Posts: 438 Location: Cheyenne WY
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Btw, his horns were:
* French Besson Brevette
* Olds Mendez (a Besson copy)
Ole |
A bit of silly trivia; Mr. Mendez did a clinic/ concert in Cheyenne and a tie clip / pin was left in his trumpet case. The pin somehow found its way into the 2nd valve and the horn was unplayable, and there was no way to repair the horn before the concert began.
The local music store carried Olds horns, and had a complete line of trumpets. Mr. Mendez played them all including his signature horn, and decided on an Ambassador! He played great, of course, and he did it on that good old warhorse student line horn.
Class act in every sense of the word, too. FWIW _________________ Russ Chapman
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bixtone Veteran Member
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JonathanM Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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Great comments, folks. It's super to hear about those of you who actually had some time around him; touching stuff. My kids have all played in instruments in school and I've showed them all (numerous times) YouTube vids of R. M. playing - and then I take him to the "...scales, scales and more scales..." vid. It's just too good not to show a novice; so basic - so brilliant.
Tom and Hank - Welcome to the Forum!! Great starts in posting to both of you! _________________ Jonathan Milam
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rafaelsatchmo Regular Member
Joined: 29 Aug 2011 Posts: 28 Location: Mesquite, Nevada
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:44 pm Post subject: Mendez' Mouthpiece |
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Hank, excellent work on RM's mouthpieces. The Mendez 1 was indeed based on the Bach 10 1/2 C but with a slightly deeper cup. Ralph had split his lip in a terrible accident at the Fox Theatre in Detroit in the early 1930s (he played in the theatre orchestra and sat by the door into the "pit". He always was the last one in before the pit rose for a performance, but one day a bass player was late and threw open the door, which hit Ralph's horn and split his lip. It took years of surgery and healing before he could play effectively again. The small mouthpiece helped him a lot!).
About the Mendez 2: It is the same as the 1 but with a shallower cup.
As Olds would copy and improve any trumpet (and the Mendez horn was an improvement over the Bessan Meha, if only for the triggers), they would do the same on mouthpieces. There's a list on Olds Central, scanned from an original factory document, of mouthpieces made for various customers. It reads as a who's who.
Vincent Bach wasn't as well known in the 1930s and 1940s as the mouthpiece man he is today, so it shouldn't be a surprise that there were others out there making fine mouthpieces. _________________ Olds Mendez (1959), Besson New Creation Cornet (1925); Courtois Grand Siecle C (1973),Holton 23 D (with Bach 236 bell and Melk lead pipe) (1962); Olds E Flat (mid 1960s), Olds Flugelhorn (1962) Curry 7DE and 7P mouthpieces |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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KevinPierce wrote: | Wow, how could someone get that nice of sound from such a small mouthpiece. I hear doc played on one of those at one point also. |
I think it's a relative recent notion that big ID mouthpieces are required for a big sound. I believe that cup depth and volume are far more important then ID with regard to tone. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
Bach Strad 180ML43*/43 Bb/Yamaha 731 Flugel/Benge 1X C/Kanstul 920 Picc/Conn 80A Cornet
Bach 3C rim on 1.5C underpart |
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connicalman Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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No Mendez, but yeah a split lip. And a mpc many find peculiar.
Until last year I didn't have the suppleness to connect the little bit on the left with the larger bit on the right of my upper lip - these were the parts I could feel buzzing within the mpc. There was otherwise a less 'live' slice between.
Of course it has less to do with that injury than with hours in the saddle, but my solution was to go big rather than smaller or to play to the side.
Now the whole width buzzes well. That I feel has to do with better technique, more patience, and the Wick rim. Kinda sharp on the alpha, that one, yes? Hmm...
To have met Mr Mendez must have been a thrill, and quite a source of motivation for a young man. Welcome to TH and thanks much for sharing your stories. _________________ kochaavim, csillaagkep, αστερρισμός, konnstelacji, connstellation... ...a.k.a. the 28A!
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