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limits_unknown Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2002 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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How does this method measure up? I printed some stuff from Roddy's site. Anybody tried this? How did it turn out?
I'm needing some range stuff. I have the balanced emboucher book, but I dont have near enough time to bother w/ changing my emboucher. |
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Emb_Enh Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2002 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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A question which crops up often about CAT'S METHOD is about the first study on page 4 [Study #1] being too difficult for people who don't have the range that is required [up to high C]. My answer to this would be to first of all try and go as far as you can with the exercises that Cat recommends and then stop. WARNING: the object of the game with the Cat Anderson book [as it should be with all chop books] is to play with clarity of tone only as far as you can WITHOUT STRAINING - STOP EARLY! - EASE OF OPERATION AT ALL TIMES.
And so, there is nothing to stop you using Cat's 20 minute G and then instead of playing page 4, invent your own transposed exercises from page 4 and eventually, through EASE OF OPERATION build up so that page 4 becomes simple. Then you are on the right track for working your way through the book, bearing in mind that you should not move off a chapter until you can play it -- EASILY!!!
Roddy o-iii<O _________________ Regards, Roddy o-iii
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limits_unknown Regular Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2002 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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Great advice Roddy, Thanks!
The good thing about the 20 minute thing is you can play 9 different notes, and still tell your buddy you practiced for 3 hours. hehe
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UsedBits Heavyweight Member
Joined: 13 Nov 2001 Posts: 851 Location: Arkansas
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2002 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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Cat Anddrson was once asked how it was that he so effortlessly plays in the upper register. He cited his lack of education - "Man, no one ever told me it was supposed to be hard!" _________________ aka Benge Loyalist
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member
Joined: 13 Nov 2001 Posts: 9830 Location: Chicago, Illinois
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2002 12:15 am Post subject: |
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If you're really interested in developing a high register above all other aspects of playing, the book to get and use is:
"Double High C in 37 Weeks"
available at:
http://www.highnotestudios.com/
It'll work.
I prefer the more rounded (much more rounded) approach my teacher Claude Gordon advocated and taught, but if your main goal in life is to scream and play lead in a big band, get the above book.
Sincerely,
John Mohan _________________ Trumpet Player, Clinician & Teacher
1st Trpt for Cats, Phantom of the Opera, West Side Story, Evita, Hunchback of Notre Dame,
Grease, The Producers, Addams Family, In the Heights, etc.
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deleted_user_a4a6e56 New Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2002 8:53 am Post subject: |
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It printed it too and it works for me. Before I have started the exercices my range ended at high C and now I can play high G's and if I have a good day I can even hit double C's. |
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trjeam Heavyweight Member
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CRJAZZMAN Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2002 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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I don't get the 20 minutes on a note thing. What's that all about? Do you just hold it as long as possible, fill up and go again, and again....etc? _________________ Matt Canfield
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Emb_Enh Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2002 12:22 am Post subject: |
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"According to the theory that the air helps you play higher and all that junk the book should work."
...but if your lips are not in the right place for YOUR physiology all the air on planet earth won't make a difference.
I don't get the 20 minutes on a note thing. What's that all about? Do you just hold it as long as possible, fill up and go again, and again....etc?
...yep! and play at ppp...if you find that hard to do think about why you can't! _________________ Regards, Roddy o-iii
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MF Fan Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2002 10:00 am Post subject: |
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The 20 minute note thing is intended to do two things:
1. Since it's played "soft as a whisper," it conditions your embochure to form a very small aperture, which is how loud high notes are played.
2. 20 minute long-tones strengthen the corners of the embochure, also neccessary for playing in the upper register. If you play them as a long-setting exercise and breathe through the nose (not taking the mouthpiece off your mouth when breathing), the effect is intensified. |
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Emb_Enh Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2002 10:58 am Post subject: |
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.....you are right on mr.mf fan! _________________ Regards, Roddy o-iii
RoddyTpt@aol.com
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Keith Wood Regular Member
Joined: 11 Nov 2002 Posts: 23 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2002 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with John on the "37 Weeks" book by Roger Spaulding. You may need to adjust the lessons to fit your own schedule, but his way of going UP to a given note, resting, then STARTING on that note to come back down is great for learning to PLAY up there, rather than just "hitting" the high notes. The funny thing for me was that my range improved greatly with the book and I've never gone past the first section (ACT I-up to High C).
A great series of 4 books is by Harold Mitchell (Hansen Publications). It is a very musical approach. Book 1 goes to A, book 2 to High C, book 3 to High Eb and book 4 to G above High C, in every setting you can imagine--tonguing, modes, scales intervals, arpeggios and MELODIES.
The thing you want to keep in mind is MUSIC. Transpose melodies up a half step at a time, maybe some standards--keeping the MUSIC in mind as you go upstairs. Visualize and think of how you want to sound, or maybe who you want to emulate. All the best, _________________ God's Peace,
Keith Wood |
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