Whistling!!

Emb_Enh · Veteran Member Joined: 29 Oct 2002 Posts: 455

Anybody else noticed a correlation of being able to whistle extremely high/loud with range development?
I'm not talking about setting the lips I mean that for some reason (aperture control I guess!) when I can whistle really high is when I an produce the tripple register more easily. Anybody else noticed this??

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Emb_Enh · Veteran Member Joined: 29 Oct 2002 Posts: 455

Hiya Dave!!
No not really! --it seems to correlate directly with lip efficiency/sensitivity- --this all might be stuff and nonsense but I've noticed this on many occasions (in fact every occasion if I may be so bold!)
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scotchmo · Posted: Thu May 09, 2002 11:01 am Post subject:

Whistling utilizes the "tongue arch method prescribed by Reinhardt. The higher the arch the velocity is increased thus providing faster vibrations of the lips with the same volume of air. Therefore higher notes speak easier.

Emb_Enh · Veteran Member Joined: 29 Oct 2002 Posts: 455

NOR ME!
we're on to something Walter!!!
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tcutrpt · Posted: Thu May 09, 2002 2:15 pm Post subject:

I too have been toying a bit with whistling. For me, it helps to visualize and understand the tongue's movement better if I whistle. I can feel the tongue arching more as I go higher and hear the air speeding up. I don't know if it has helped, but it is fun at least!

Matt

Barrett · New Member Joined: 30 Apr 2002 Posts: 8 Location: New York

Hey tcutrpt,

Is Jon Burgess your trumpet teacher at TCU?

He was my teacher in Kentucky.

Jerry Freedman · Posted: Thu May 09, 2002 6:49 pm Post subject:

I am a good whistler if I say so myself. I can do a mean "sleigh ride" ( Leroy Anderson) double tonguing a lot of it but the skill doesn't seem to transfer to trumpet <sigh>

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pair of kings · Posted: Thu May 09, 2002 7:10 pm Post subject:

I relate. It helps me with tongue movement, and pitch control. I use my tongue more or less the same. Keeps the corners front too. the difference is when I whistle I don't bring roll my lips in at all. I also use the concept in teaching. Seems a lot of kids say they can't whistle. I don't really know how to teach someone to whistle, though - is that just something you have to figure out yourself?

tcutrpt · Posted: Fri May 10, 2002 9:52 am Post subject:

Barret, yes, I'm studying with Jon Burgess now. I'm a sophomore performance major.

Matt Cyr

B6L · Posted: Fri May 10, 2002 10:50 am Post subject:

I had a trombone player for a roomate for a short time........This guy would whistle ALL THE TIME..... it drove me nuts! but he had the most wonderful doodle tongue , he said he developed it from whistling.
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Tepmurt · New Member Joined: 09 May 2002 Posts: 6 Location: Canada

For years I have noticed that I can whistle extremely well after playing. When my chops feel limber and good to go (you know the feeling), that's when whistling is prime. I always thought this was just a personal observation, so I'm glad that I'm not the only one going crazy!

Derek Lawinski · Posted: Wed May 15, 2002 9:30 am Post subject:

Hey Mr Roddy, read all your stuff on trumpets with great interest - and I've been on your site - it's cool man, great sounds. Where can I catch you on a gig, would love to hear you with your band, it must be awsome!!! - are you in the Radio big band you mentioned? - have you played in MF's band?, or did I misread that?? - you mentioned you blow his charts, jeez - that's some chops baby!

Emb_Enh · Veteran Member Joined: 29 Oct 2002 Posts: 455

That's very kind of you Derek...no I don't play in the Radio Big band but a student of mine now does, which is great I'm so proud of him. I won't name him here but If you want to know email me. Yes I have an MF tribute band which is great fun [160+ charts]...as you can imagine it does'nt get many gigs....but I'm also currently playing with a 10 piece Funk / Smooth jazz outfit called "Nightshift" and having a great time!
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Derek Lawinski · Posted: Thu May 16, 2002 5:02 am Post subject:

Sounds great - love to catch the MF tribute gigs when they happen - he's my fav! - he's still solid now, just proves his natural ability when it spans such a long period.

I'll mail you about the Radio band soon

keep up the high work! - wish I could! - I'm an octave behind you!!@!

sean007r · Posted: Thu May 16, 2002 6:01 am Post subject:

Now I'm really worried...

I can't whistle for didily!
I might have two octaves and my tone SUCKS!

Given this new post, could I assume that my PHYSICAL limitations may prevent me from ever achieving the goals I seek on my trumpet?

or

does it mean that I'm going to have work 10x's harder then the next guy to "keep-up"?

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Aremtpt · Regular Member Joined: 19 May 2002 Posts: 14

Hey Lawinski, what u doing back in the UK
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Derek Lawinski · Posted: Mon May 20, 2002 6:16 am Post subject:

hey 'arem' - how are you! - good to hear from you - this Forum is great, loads of good stuff & people on here - are you still on the Miami circuit? - still on lead? - give me a personal mail so we're not caught chatting on the Forum! - cheers

Aremtpt · Regular Member Joined: 19 May 2002 Posts: 14

Sean re whistling

Don't worry too much if you can't whistle, it's more or less like saying or singing Aaa Eee or in other words the basis of tongue level.
At least I don't think I'm wrong here - comments ??

Arem
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sean007r · Posted: Mon May 20, 2002 7:20 am Post subject:

_Don Herman · Posted: Mon May 20, 2002 7:39 am Post subject:

> Can anyone here play 4+ octaves on the trumpet and not do the same when whistling?

Me, if you include pedals! My pedal G is nice and fat (let's just not talk about that dratted first pedal C, OK?

), my high G is sort of there, mostly, and the highest I've ever played (squealed, whimpered, whatever) is over triple C. But, I can't whistle well -- my tongue cuts it off when I try to whistle too high. My whistle range is two plus octaves, maybe three if you'll accept a weak hissing sound for the top octave.

Depending on your whistling technique, lips and oral cavity, etc. your range when whistling may bear lots or virtually no relation to your trumpet playing -- IMVHIEO!!! (In My Very Humble, Ignorant Even, Opinion) I've never been a great whistler, and have rarely tried to apply it to trumpet playing, because I don't whistle anything like my playing embouchure. Don't honestly know if that's good or bad, but I have too many other things I need to work on to worry about whistling right now!

FWIW, I knew a player with a great high range, who could whistle as high and loudly as anybody I've ever heard -- but he did it by sticking two fingers in his mouth and blowing like crazy! Not sure there was any relationship to his trumpet embouchure...

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