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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 2:27 pm    Post subject: Byrdlike or Birdlike ??? Reply with quote

Hi,

there's a blues in F written by Freddie Hubbard.

Is the title Birdlike or Byrdlike?

In fakebooks and on recordings i saw both of them.

Is it a tribute to Bird or to Donald Byrd?

Thanks!

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The original recording says Birdlike.
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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tribute to Charlie Parker.
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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.jazz.com/music/2008/4/11/freddie-hubbard-byrdlike

Written for Donald Byrd. Misprinted on the recording and in fakes books.... the old fake books are full of mistakes.
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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given the nature of the head, Byrdlike would make more sense, but I've only ever seen Birdlike. Seems like an awfully odd melody with which to pay homage to Charlie Parker.
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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Huh, I swear I remember hearing somewhere that Hubbard had Parker in mind when he wrote the song.

Here's a Jazztimes article that backs me up.

"On his 1961 album, Ready for Freddie, Hubbard unveiled “Birdlike,” his tribute to Charlie Parker, with a bravura trumpet solo that machine-gunned notes across several octaves at a dizzying, Parker-like tempo pushed along by Elvin Jones. Each note, whether a piercing 16th or a bluesy quarter, was precisely pitched and crisply articulated."
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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NTlead wrote:
Given the nature of the head, Byrdlike would make more sense, but I've only ever seen Birdlike. Seems like an awfully odd melody with which to pay homage to Charlie Parker.


Agreed. I see both points. There are parts of the melody that could be "Parker"esque. but on the other hand, changes that are more hard-bopish.

Let's all get together, hold hands and ask Freddie himself...
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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

K,

Now I'm REALLY confused....

I went back and read the liner note for Ready for Freddie and it does make mention of Charlie Parker

".... aside from the Charlie Parker-like nature of the angular theme, the ryhthmic felling throughout is rooted in Bird's Language...."

I remember asking this question in a masterclass to Christian McBride who played with Freddie back in the 90's. He made referance to Donald Byrd.

Let's consult Wilmer Wise.... he'll know.
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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, Ya got me thinkin.

this is kinda like who wrote Donna Lee? Bird or Miles. Miles swears up and down in his autobiograhpy he wrote it, but clearly it's not a "Bird" -like (no pun intnded) melody.

hhhhmmmmm


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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say its pretty clear that Donna Lee was not written by Bird. It really doesn't have the same phraseology nor rhythmic ingenuity of Bird, to my ears at least.
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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The original title is Birdlike, a tribute to "Bird". However, when Freddie went to record that tune with another group he changed the title to Byrdlike to avaiod copywrite problems. I could be wrong! But on Ready for Freddie it's "Birdlike" and on all the V.S.O.P. records it's "Byrdlike". Who knows!

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a video I found.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTbsxtUJZN0
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRogers wrote:
I'd say its pretty clear that Donna Lee was not written by Bird. It really doesn't have the same phraseology nor rhythmic ingenuity of Bird, to my ears at least.


I've had this arguement with a lot of musicians. I've transcribed a lot of bird, and Donna Lee has hardly any of the typical Parker-ism's (and there are ALOT). I totally believe that Miles wrote it, in fact, I've always wondered if he wrote it as an excercise...It plays like an etude...
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kfjazz wrote:
Here's a video I found.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTbsxtUJZN0


Sounds like we've found the answer. Thanks kf! Killer tune!
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree -- Donna Lee does not sound like a bird tune. There's no larger rhythm to the phrases like on most bird tunes.
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kfjazz wrote:
Here's a video I found.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTbsxtUJZN0


On "Ready for Freddie" it is Birdlike, & I always assumed it was for Parker & that "Byrdlike" was a typical Fake-Book misspelling. Awesome find, that Youtube clip, kind of removes all doubt!

I guess a deliberate change to avoid "copyright problems" could make sense too.

Now perhaps we can tackle the reason it is Freddie & not Freddy.

-Stu
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