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sound_of_the_trumpet Regular Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:57 pm Post subject: Opinions, Opinions |
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Chris Botti: Best all-around tone, that man can play
Allison Balsom: Great classical musician
Maynard Ferguson: best high notes overall, tone is ok
Wynton Marsallis: good tone, and versitility
Chet Baker: Creative, really great to listen to
Phil Driscol: Best Compositions, I really love what he has written
Feel free to add to, disagree to, or add some of your favorite players. _________________ ~Renee
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windandsong Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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Balsom, great executor of notes, singularly one of the most soulless trumpet players that has ever lived. boring as hell.
Botti - good what i have heard.
Chet Baker - awesome but always feel like i wanna give him a kick up the arse.
Wm...yes yes. has he ever moved me? maybe. damn fine bloke tho...there's s thing about fear of his sound breaking up 4 me. someone else made me aware of this.
MF...don't really listen 2 him much, not qualified in any way 2 comment.
Driscoll...need 2 listen to him.
Feel free 2 disagree.
Regards.
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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sound_of_the_trumpet Regular Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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Maynard: least favorite. I disagree with you about Balsom, I saw her in concert and was impressed. If you're into classical, she is quite good, in my opinion. _________________ ~Renee
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Pete Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Maynard Ferguson: best high notes overall, tone is ok
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People who dismiss Maynard Ferguson as just a high note player are missing something. Maynard was a fantastic musician, with great feel, he was a very underrated soloist, and he had the same solid sound from top to bottom. He had a unique sound and this is what some criticize, but this is what Maynard was, not what some thought he should be. Most players can't even touch him. Not to mention his long duration as a band leader of some of the best bands that ever existed.
If you think Botti can play(and I think he can), you should know that Maynard could play. There is so much documented evidence of this that you would have to be a fool to ignore it. From his Kenton years, to the Birdland Dream Band, to his band in the 60's, his English band that ended up here in the US in the 70's to the 80's band to the Big Bop Nouveau. You have to listen to this stuff to make the judgment. He can't be judged on one recording, or a warped sense of how the trumpet should sound. Its like saying that because Ella didnt sound like Rene' Flemming, she just could sing high.
How about Arturo Sandoval? Wayne Bergeron? Conte Candoli? Snooky Young? Doc Severinsen? Bobby Shew? Bill Chase? Dave Stahl? Clifford Brown? Miles? Dizzy? Just to name a few. Everybody has opinions on them.
Here's my opinion. They are all good. That's why they are regarded by their fellow musicians as the best.
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Jon Arnold Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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There is no such thing as the best. We are talking about musicians and music, like art it is subjective. I like different players for different reasons. I have personally gravitated to the cool school players, but I have always loved Maynard and fantastic lead players. To those of you who don't like Maynard, you seem to be limited in your understanding of the magnificent career he had. Go back and listen to the Birdland Dreamland Band, amazing stuff, or the jam session with Maynard, Clark Terry and Clifford Brown. The man could play. Period. If you only listen to 70's commercial Maynard, you are missing out. _________________ Bach Trumpet Educator/Artist |
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Scorpion Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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I remember a certain 1954 Jam Session with Clark Terry and Clifford Brown in which Maynard played some awesome stuff. Although his later stuff was not my cup of tea.
Balsom is not for me, i don't feel anything when I hear her play.
If you want to talk creative... I'd go with Woody Shaw. Great to listen to... I'd go with Clifford Brown, never heard a bad recording of Clifford. _________________ -GET OVER HERE!
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JazzmanGIANT Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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Alison Balsom-really heavy hitter for a young person, extremely unique tone, but some performances are not historically accurate (her hummel), and just doesn't seem that moving. Piccolo sound is great though.
Wynton-great player, interesting sound, extremely intelligent, good teacher, traditionalist, close minded about what is jazz though
Maynard- probably very good at many things, but famous for only a small piece of trumpeting, good for music education, tone represents the standard jet-tone of the 70s, great guy, but IMO (even though he did so many great things), really flamed up the trumpet high note obsession.
Chris Botti- commercial to say the least, but honestly is really interesting to listen to. Great player with an interesting lifestyle (he has no home). Blows Kenny G out of the water.
Chet Baker- west coast cool. made the trumpet an instrument that can be smooth and buttery as well as technical. A gem of the west style.
Phil Driscol- IMO, not very musical, doesn't have a nice tone (IMO), and can be much more minimalist with his effects and ornaments. Less is more.
Freddie Hubbard- the man, straight up. Even his terribly criticized commercial albums are great. _________________ The thing to judge in any jazz artist is, does the man project and does he have ideas. MilesDavis
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sound_of_the_trumpet Regular Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:49 am Post subject: |
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Pete:
I still think Maynard is a great trumpet player, most definatly, and I do still listen to him, but It's just not my style, you know? He is good, but a little hyper at times, which is probably why people like him so much. I don't hate him, It's just not my favorite. Does that make sense?
I have started to appreciated him a bit after I met Stockton Helbing, his drummer for the last 6 years of his life. Oh the stories! _________________ ~Renee
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John Mock Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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I can't believe Allen Vizzutti has not been mentioned here yet. On my recent trip to Dillon's, I picked up one of his cds, and then bought two more since--and I've never heard a better all-around trumpet player that can do multiple styles of music as well as he can.
Also--some of the videos on youtube of Wayne Bergeron are just unbelievable. He's got a different style from Vizzutti, for sure, but is mesmerizing. I'll be getting his cds next...
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sound_of_the_trumpet Regular Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:06 am Post subject: |
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I am still trying to discover new trumpet players, and will have to look those two up. _________________ ~Renee
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Dan O'Donnell Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:46 am Post subject: |
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Obviously... Wayne, Doc, Chet, Botti, Vizzuti, Wynton, Arturo, Clifford, Miles, Maynard,
HHhhmmmmmm...No mention of...
Dan Oxley - THE best Trumpet player in Christian Music!
Jeff Kievit, Jeff Tyzik, Jon Faddis - Incredible Leads & soloists!
Jack Sheldon - Great straight ahead Jazz player!
Rick Braun - Great Smooth Jazz player with impeccable tone quality, intonation and tasteful improvisation!
Roy Hargrove, Tony Guerrero, - A couple of the best sounding Trumpet players on their Flugelhorns!
Chuck Mangione - Was a Trumpet player during his start and now has added Trumpet playing to his gigs. A Trumpet player (& of course Flugelhorn player) who wrote and arranged incredibly stirring music!
Vaughn Nark, - Awesome soloist!
Marice Andre' - THE best Classical player that ever lived!
Just to name a few of my favorites AND opinions! _________________ God Bless,
Dan O'Donnell
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John Mock Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I didn't mention some of those other guys because a.) I'm not aware of a few of them like the Christian guy and b.) I'm now attempting to keep my posts more "value added" than negative.
There are great players out there with off-the-chart range, but my wife can't tolerate entire cd's of screech trumpet playing (as some I've purchased and later given away), and honestly neither can I for very long.
Too much of the same thing--of anything--even flugelhorn--becomes tiring for me to listen to. I enjoy the variety some of the other artists present.
Maybe that's the same reason I am unable to listen to either Wynton or Chris Botti's jazz recordings--I simply need more variety of musical styles than what is included on a typical recording.
In one other case, I'm unable to listen to a particular player because his high notes are always flat, and that bothers me--takes the joy out of listening to him.
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EdMann Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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These are all great players. I'm currently getting back into Freddie, Satchmo, Jeremy Pelt and I just picked up a Hal Roach album with Booker Little that I'm about to dive into. Always dug his sound. Old Soloff with Gil Evans (Priestess) is one of the great tour de force solos of the seventies. Really worth looking for. He'll appearing with John Faddis in New York next month and I plan to catch him.
For lead playing, I'm a bit more old skool than some of you: George Graham, Conrad Gozzo, Uan Rasey (my man), Al Porcino. These guys played rather big equipment and/or deeper than your average cups and had sounds to match.
Sorry, though. Louis Armstrong played all of the above first. As Miles said, there ain't nothing we all play that Pops hasn't already played.
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okeyjeff Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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Listen to Maynard's recording of Tenderly. Maynard's old stuff has some of the best examples of tone and lyricism, ever. |
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Pocket Monkeys Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, it took until the 12th post for someone to mention Maurice Andre'.
Oh, and ummm, best to look at: Alison Balsom
On second thought: Tine Thing Helseth
OK, it's a tie.
Holy crap! They play trumpet too??? |
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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Woody Shaw, Freddie Hubbard, Booker Little, Donald Byrd
Eddie Henderson
Sean Jones, Nicholas Peyton, Wynton Marsalis
Wynton Marsalis, Thomas Stevens
Arturo Sandoval
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John Mock Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:28 am Post subject: |
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Best to look at: Yazz Ahmed--exquisitely beautiful face.
Cute to watch (trumpet vocal impersonator): Denise Reis _________________ Kanstul 1500 trumpet
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:42 am Post subject: |
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Let's keep this about music, folks.
Renee, nice to see you! Listen to everyone. Form your own opinions, but be prepared to change your mind in the face of new evidence and as you grow and evolve personally and musically.
Maynard had an amazing tone-at least through most of his career (for a certain kind of playing). Listen to recordings of him from the '60s and '70s. Awesome. _________________ Bach trumpet artist-clinician
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Busiest jazz player - Dave Douglas
Most genres - Brian Lynch
Best jazz sound - Nic Payton
Best jazz high register - Jon Faddis
Fastest fingers - Raphael Mendez
Most innovative - Don Ellis
Most tragic deaths - Clifford Brown, Edward Llewellyn
Most pathetic death - Fats Navarro, Lee Morgan, Chet Baker
Best version of 'I Remember Clifford' - Randy Brecker
Most entertaining - Dizzy Gillespie
Most endearing - Louis Armstrong
Moodiest - Miles Davis
Most outstanding orchestral player - Bud Herseth
Funniest solo ("Mumbles") - Clark Terry
Best performance with a disability - Tom Harrell
Most unrecognized talent - Jabbo Smith
Most wasted talent - Tony Fruscella
Best decision to quit trumpet - Quincy Jones _________________ Jim Hatfield
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