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cody_musial New Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 12:39 pm Post subject: Modern Horn for Swing Era Lead Playing |
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Hi,
I am currently looking for a new horn for lead playing for swing era music, Benny Goodman, Gene Krupa etc. I enjoy the small bore of the Conn 22B that that I currently play and the bright sound of it. Any recommendations for a bright small bore modern horn would be appreciated. _________________ Cody Musial
1947 Conn 22b
1956 Getzen Super Deluxe
1963 Olds Super
1978 Getzen Capri |
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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Mar 2002 Posts: 10209 Location: The Land Beyond O'Hare
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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You might consider the Yamaha Bobby Shew. 5" bell with .445 bore. MSRP is around $2,500. Available several places including here: https://www.wwbw.com/Yamaha-YTR-8310ZII-Bobby-Shew-Custom-Series-Bb-Trumpet-L49534.wwbw _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle |
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jcheze Regular Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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Sure you want small bore for lead? |
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cody_musial New Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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jcheze wrote: | Sure you want small bore for lead? |
I like medium to medium large bores too. I have been looking at a schilke b4, b6 or b7 which has a similar bore size to my Getzen. _________________ Cody Musial
1947 Conn 22b
1956 Getzen Super Deluxe
1963 Olds Super
1978 Getzen Capri |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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Getzen Eterna Classic. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
"Well, even if I could play like Wynton, I wouldn't play like Wynton." Chet Baker
Adams A-9 Trumpet
Benge 3X Cornet
Getzen Capri Cornet (for sale). |
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Eli’s Coming Regular Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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The Jupiter XO is a medium bore horn. I’ve played a few. Nice horn that can really sizzle when you need it to. It’s on the bright side but worked well for big band lead. Used ones are rather affordable. |
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B_Starry Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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Selmer K-mod lightweight will meet the requirement.
Another good swing era lead horn is the Connstellation.
Newer offering would be a Bach 43 lightweight, IMO. _________________ do justly, love mercy, and walk humbly with God |
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jcheze Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2023 2:43 am Post subject: |
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I like the Adams horns. Try the A5, like a Schilke B6 . . . or A6, like a Constellation.
https://www.adams-music.com/en/adams/brass/trumpet/b-flat _________________ Stomvi S3
Adams F1 Flugelhorn
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AndyDavids Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2023 6:35 am Post subject: |
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Schilke |
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Subtropical and Subpar Heavyweight Member
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Kanstul 990 and/or 991, which were the company's takes on the Conn 36B and 38B, respectively. My 991 feels nimbler than the 38Bs I've had occasion to try, and it's certainly at least a few ounces lighter. Like a 38B, it sport the .439" bore, the wide wrap, the 5 1/4" bell, and point-to-point bracing. It also has a copper leadpipe and the oldest examples are just 20 years old or so, whereas the good Connstellations are now pushing 60. _________________ 1932 King Silvertone cornet
1936 King Liberty No. 2 trumpet
1958 Reynolds Contempora 44-M "Renascence" C
1962 Reynolds Argenta LB trumpet
1965 Conn 38A
1995 Bach LR18072
2003 Kanstul 991
2011 Schilke P5-4 B/G
2021 Manchester Brass flugel |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:26 am Post subject: |
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As your go-to Lead instrument?
OP - as an afterthought, you might check with zaferis regarding what he and his section mates played on classic swing. He's former Air Force and swing, especially Glenn Miller is part of their stock and trade. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
"Well, even if I could play like Wynton, I wouldn't play like Wynton." Chet Baker
Adams A-9 Trumpet
Benge 3X Cornet
Getzen Capri Cornet (for sale).
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cody_musial New Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:28 am Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | As your go-to Lead instrument? |
Yes _________________ Cody Musial
1947 Conn 22b
1956 Getzen Super Deluxe
1963 Olds Super
1978 Getzen Capri |
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Aaronis Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2023 11:13 am Post subject: |
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I don't know of any modern small bore horns. I think most players who like small bores, play the Conn's.
I think any generation of the Yamaha Shew Z horn would be good. With a medium bore, yellow brass bell, and right MP, I think its tough to beat.
The Schilke B6 and B7 as you mentioned would also be a good choice. The B6 does feature a copper bell which some players associate that with a more softer sound and I can say that if I want a softer sound, it's beautiful. However, with the right MP you can brighten up just about any horn and the B6 can and would be a great lead horn.
The B7 would probably match up well with the Shew Z horn. _________________ 2018 Schilke B6
1980's CG Selmer
1976 CG L.A. Benge
1955 Mt. Vernon Bach
1947 Olds Super
Holton Revelation Model 48
1964 Holton Galaxy Cornet
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mafields627 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2023 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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Jupiter XO 1600i Roger Ingram model _________________ --Matt--
No representation is made that the quality of this post is greater than the quality of that of any other poster. Oh, and get a teacher! |
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OldSchoolEuph Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2023 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: Modern Horn for Swing Era Lead Playing |
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cody_musial wrote: | Hi,
I am currently looking for a new horn for lead playing for swing era music, Benny Goodman, Gene Krupa etc. I enjoy the small bore of the Conn 22B that that I currently play and the bright sound of it. Any recommendations for a bright small bore modern horn would be appreciated. |
If you are looking for an authentic sound of the era, then you are going to have trouble finding a modern horn other than from a custom maker. Quite literally, "they don't make 'em like that anymore".
If you are looking for a modern sound, then I would echo "Schilke". _________________ Ron Berndt
www.trumpet-history.com
2017 Austin Winds Stage 466
1962 Mt. Vernon Bach 43
1954 Holton 49 Stratodyne
1927 Conn 22B
1957 Holton 27 cornet
1985 Yamaha YEP-621
1975 Yamaha YEP-321 Custom
1965 Besson Baritone
1975 Olds Recording R-20 |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2023 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, but what Schilke? There are a lot of choices.
FWIW, I've had a Schilke B-7 and it's a great horn, but it would not be my go-to horn for big band lead work. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
"Well, even if I could play like Wynton, I wouldn't play like Wynton." Chet Baker
Adams A-9 Trumpet
Benge 3X Cornet
Getzen Capri Cornet (for sale). |
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chef8489 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2023 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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The new Bach such as the Apollo and the 19037m and 19072x sound really great for lead playing. _________________ Current horns
2023 Bach 19072G/43 pipe with 1st trigger
1966 H.N. White King Silver Flair
1965 H.N. White King Super 20 Sllversonic Symphony 1st trigger |
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jeirvine Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2023 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: Modern Horn for Swing Era Lead Playing |
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cody_musial wrote: | Hi,
I am currently looking for a new horn for lead playing for swing era music, Benny Goodman, Gene Krupa etc. I enjoy the small bore of the Conn 22B that that I currently play and the bright sound of it. Any recommendations for a bright small bore modern horn would be appreciated. |
Are you looking for new because your Conn 22B is worn out? It would be much cheaper to just get a valve job than it would be to buy any new trumpet of comparable quality. _________________ 1932 King Silvertone Artist Bore
1945 Buescher 400
1946 Olds Super
1947 Olds Super Cornet
1948 Couesnon flugelhorn
1951 Olds Special
1956 Martin Committee
1964 Olds Recording
1968 Bach 329 C
1996 Bach 37 |
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Vin DiBona Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2023 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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The best modern choices are.
Jupiter 1600i, Roger Ingram's design. He's as good as it gets and knows what a lead trumpet has to do.
Schilke S42, S33HC, S43HD. and the incredible S43HDL-F, the Faddis model.
You could seek out a Schilke B4 and if copper bells don't screw up your natural sound like they do me, the B6.
The Bobby Shew model might work well, too.
R. Tomasek |
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p76 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2023 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Lead player in the Big Band I play in just bought the latest gen Bobby Shew, and he sounded fantastic on it at our last gig, which was a classic swing gig.
He's a pretty good player, but he sounded better on the Shew than on his previous horn, and it suited the music quite well. Not sure what mpc. he was using...
Cheers,
Roger _________________ Bb - Selmer Radial, Yamaha YTR634, Kanstul 1001, Kanstul 700.
C - Yamaha 641.
Cornet - Olds Ambassador A6T, Besson 723, Olds Ambassador Long.
Flugel - Kanstul 1525
Mpc. - ACB 3CS, ACB 3ES, Curry 3BBC, Kanstul FB Flugel |
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