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Nate,
I think you pinged it on the head - Mr. Herseth only said something along the lines of "that year Paul came and conducted the CSO at Rivinia for several concerts", so it seems 1963's festival fits.
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If your friend is the same Jim Debth that used to live in Iowa, he studied with Rapier, too and might have input on this.
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Nate,
See, I'm not nuts! Also, the bit about the glasses is similar to the one of the other little stories he gave during that masterclass.
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I know some like to hear an underlying program in this music; for example, goose-stepping German soldiers in the opening movement, sadness in the Trauermusik, and resignation in the concluding chorale Alle Menschen Muessen Sterben. Perhaps that would indeed be cool, but, to the best of my knowledge, there is no evidence that Hindemith thought of this as program music. Also, if that were true, surely he would have given at least some hint of such an underlying program. That isn't to say that the events of the 1930s didn't have an effect on him (for starters, his music was banned by the Nazis, and he left Germany for Switzerland and then the US), but without any evidence at all, I personally don't think there's much to discuss here.
Incidentally, I found the discussion on the tempo for Alle Menschen Muessen Sterben the most interesting of this entire thread. I've wondered for a long time why Hindemith chose such a slow tempo, given the direct quote from Bach's Das Orgelbuechlein and the much faster tempo that would be needed if you'd actually treat it as a chorale to be sung. By the way, the text is actually from a different hymn, which appears to have been the source material for Bach's organ piece. At any rate, I prefer a faster tempo, but had never heard of Hindemith's discussion with Herseth, so am happy that there may be some justification for that choice after all ...
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[quote="natemayfield"]I need to pass this idea along as well. Hindemith felt very strongly that all of his works be playable, even by amateurs. I think the faster tempo(s) would make it easier on the trumpeter, BUT would make it harder on the pianist. For that reason, perhaps he remained flexible or torn on the tempo.
This is in a nutshell the big problem with this piece. It has to be remembered that this is a work for trumpet and piano, not trumpet with piano accompaniment with both players having equal input into the musical shape of the piece- tempo/ phrasing etc. Allied to the fact that Hindemith rather optimistically wrote this with amateurs in mind makes you think that if he wrote this for the average man in the street, you would have to be pretty lucky to have Van Cliburn living next door. |
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| natemayfield wrote: | Gorham asked PH about the tempo in the first mvt, and Hindemith asked him "well, what tempo do you like?" Gorham said, "quarter about 120-122 or so", and Hindemith said that would be just fine.
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I have not found my copy marked by Irv Sarin yet. But I do recall him having me play it at about quarter =120.
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John Iuele would have had a lot of insight too, I'm sure, but sadly he passed in 2008. Perhaps his collection would contain one of the original copies from 1940..
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Richard Suddendorf (trumpeter and composer) also thought the 1st movement should be in 2 because of the piano score.. I need to pick his brain as to why. I don't know that I'm swayed by the piano baring, but maybe there's an emphasis I'm missing..? |
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