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Pablopiccasso Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:58 am Post subject: Makin' it swing |
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Simple question. How'd you make trumpet swing...?
Interesting YouTube by Aimee Nolte on the subject of swinging here
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ6x14fFfDY# |
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Pablopiccasso Veteran Member
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Tobias Veteran Member
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loweredsixth Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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Tobias wrote: | Listen and listen and listen to the greats.
And imitate... |
Surprisingly this is the ONLY way to learn how to swing. Ditch any written method trying to explain swing and just work on imitating. _________________ The name I go by in the real world is Joe Lewis |
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PH Bill Adam/Carmine Caruso Forum Moderator
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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loweredsixth wrote: | Tobias wrote: | Listen and listen and listen to the greats.
And imitate... |
Surprisingly this is the ONLY way to learn how to swing. Ditch any written method trying to explain swing and just work on imitating. |
_________________ Bach trumpet artist-clinician
Clinical Professor of Jazz Trumpet, University of Illinois
Professor Emeritus of Jazz Studies, Indiana University Jacobs School of Music
Faculty Jamey Aebersold Jazz Workshops 1976-2019
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Pablopiccasso Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:02 am Post subject: |
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So many great players, so many great solos, where to start? |
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PH Bill Adam/Carmine Caruso Forum Moderator
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:38 am Post subject: |
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Pablopiccasso wrote: | So many great players, so many great solos, where to start? |
Start wherever you love the sound and feel of the music. You get to choose. Pick your own role models according to personal taste. That's how we develop our own unique style and artistic voice. The modern idea that everybody has to study the same role models is completely antithetical to the jazz tradition. _________________ Bach trumpet artist-clinician
Clinical Professor of Jazz Trumpet, University of Illinois
Professor Emeritus of Jazz Studies, Indiana University Jacobs School of Music
Faculty Jamey Aebersold Jazz Workshops 1976-2019
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NERO Regular Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:23 am Post subject: |
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Pablopiccasso wrote: | So many great players, so many great solos, where to start? |
Talking about swing... the best place to start is louis armstrong.... in my opinion |
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mm55 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:04 am Post subject: |
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Play in a big-band with cats that swing. Listen to them. Play tightly with them in the section. Follow the swinging lead player. Make their swing your own. You can learn a lot about swinging by playing, not just listening to recordings. Another suggestion is to get a teacher who knows how to teach students to swing. _________________ '75 Bach Strad 180ML/37
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Seymor B Fudd Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:04 am Post subject: Re: Makin' it swing |
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Before summer we discussed the "non swinging" problem of one of our members, INTJ I think, and one recommendation that came up was: try sing the phrases! And pay careful notice to where to put the accents!
And as written here listen to the greats, try to sing their phrases!
Sure has helped me a lot. _________________ Cornets: mp 143D3/ DW Ultra 1,5 C
Getzen 300 series
Yamaha YCRD2330II
Yamaha YCR6330II
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Rapier232 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:49 pm Post subject: Re: Makin' it swing |
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I sat through that and learned nothing. Chunk chunk chunk? What the hell is she on about? _________________ "Nearly as good as I need to be. Not nearly as good as I want to be".
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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I get her point about having a consistent, reliable base to play off of but I likewise, didn't get much out of that. Certainly there are better teaching moments to post than that. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
"Well, even if I could play like Wynton, I wouldn't play like Wynton." Chet Baker
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Tony Scodwell Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:09 am Post subject: Swinging on trumpet |
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Why doesn't anyone mention Louis Armstrong? He did invent what the jazz world knows now as "swing" and was doing it ten years before anybody picked up on it. My way of explaining this is to say Louis "slanted" the notes while everybody else played them straight up and down. Get a book of his transcriptions and notice how he placed the notes "between the cracks" and as accurate as most of the books I've seen, playing along with them involves a lot of listening as well.
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:38 am Post subject: |
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Tony, there's no denying Pops a place in jazz history, but maybe one doesn't see his name as much (if you take this premise) is because if I were starting out, I wouldn't like to swing like Pops. Lee Morgan, Woody Shaw and more modern players would be my role model. They don't swing in the same way. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
"Well, even if I could play like Wynton, I wouldn't play like Wynton." Chet Baker
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cameronmilligan New Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:59 am Post subject: |
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Pablopiccasso wrote: | So many great players, so many great solos, where to start? |
Miles Davis - any of his solos on "Kind of Blue" (especially So What) are a great place to start. Not too complicated, but a great example of how to swing and phrase well. |
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lipshurt Heavyweight Member
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Turkle Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:38 am Post subject: |
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To follow up on lipshurt - swing is different not only between time periods, but also between "genres" and even between individual musicians. Pops' swing was different from Clark Terry's which was different from Miles, who was different from Clifford or Diz...
And, of course, your swing is going to be a negotiated style with the other musicians you're playing with. What sort of eighth notes is the drummer playing on the cymbal? Are you in a section where you have to follow a lead player? You have to line your rhythmic conception up with the musicians you're playing with and the setting. Listen to the eighth notes that Ben Riley is playing at fast tempos and compare them to Max Roach or Elvin Jones - how would you adapt your swing concept to fit in there?
Those are my thoughts! _________________ Yamaha 8310Z trumpet
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Ed Hernandez Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:01 am Post subject: |
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Big band Play alongs are quite helpful, I.e. Basie Straight ahead, etc. _________________ "If you find a job you really like, you'll never work a day in your life".
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loweredsixth Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:23 am Post subject: |
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It's fascinating to listen to Louis Armstrong on the Hot Five and Hot Seven sessions recorded in the late 1920s. He is swinging differently than anyone else during that time period. His playing is strikingly different than anything that was being played at the time (except maybe Jabbo Smith.)
When people say that all styles lead back to Armstrong, they are referring to his playing on these sessions. He defined how jazz was going to be played from that point forward. _________________ The name I go by in the real world is Joe Lewis |
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