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Wadey_W New Member
Joined: 16 Mar 2019 Posts: 9 Location: Pinson, Alabama
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:34 pm Post subject: Difference Between Cup Sizes? |
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I started playing five years ago on a 3c, now im on a 1 1/2c. I use the 3c for marching, and can feel the difference between them.
Im wondering what a good jazz mouthpiece is and one that will help with a darker tone? |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:46 pm Post subject: Re: Difference Between Cup Sizes? |
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Wadey_W wrote: | I started playing five years ago on a 3c, now im on a 1 1/2c. I use the 3c for marching, and can feel the difference between them.
Im wondering what a good jazz mouthpiece is and one that will help with a darker tone? |
What style of jazz? I assume since we’re using the somewhat subjective term “dark”, you mean small combo jazz? And darker than 1 1/2 C?
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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Wadey_W New Member
Joined: 16 Mar 2019 Posts: 9 Location: Pinson, Alabama
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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Big band jazz.
Specifically a solo in mack the knife. |
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zaferis Heavyweight Member
Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Posts: 2351 Location: Beavercreek, OH
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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:56 am Post subject: |
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I think there are a couple separate issues here... first of all mouthpiece choice-this is a slippery slope and a very personal things. In part is chosen for how it fits our face (dental structure etc.) and helps us maintain the sound we are striving for. A Bach 3C tendancy is to be shallower than a 1.5 C and is, in general, a bit brighter tone color than the 1.5C.. many players play on pieces in this neighborhood. IMO stay on the 3C for marching band /jazz band. Nothing wrong with either, I'd expect that the 3C is a better choice for this.. and the 1.5C for concert band, etc. But I'm NOT a fan of swithcing back and forth, especially if you're a young player (pre-collegiate skill level)
This would be where a reputable teacher could assist in deterimining if you should look for a new piece or just hit the shed with a plan.
Then with the solo, I'd suggest you focus on what you're going to "say" in the solo, not which mouthiece will work best for that small part of your performance. _________________ Freelance Performer/Educator
Adjunct Professor
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 8925 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:09 am Post subject: |
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If you are succeeding on the 3C and 1.5C I wouldn't think you'd need anything different. And introducing a third mouthpiece into your regular playing sounds like a bad idea. Jazz doesn't require any particular mouthpiece. Either of your existing pieces will be fine. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
Bach Strad 180ML43*/43 Bb/Yamaha 731 Flugel/Benge 1X C/Kanstul 920 Picc/Conn 80A Cornet
Bach 3C rim on 1.5C underpart |
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jascobeck New Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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I have found the Martin mouthpieces both for my trombone and trumpet help me produce a very sweet mellow tone. I play the trumpet #10 and trombone #1. I dig them both. The #10 is a small cup and throat. It takes the bite off producing a mellow tone for me at low and medium volume yet skips to high register with little effort. _________________ King Silver flair '80
Conn New Wonder cornet '15
King Master cornet '37
King Master cornet '58
King marching baritone 1130 '70s |
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Wadey_W New Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:32 am Post subject: |
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Those are all some good ideas, thanks.
When it comes to mouthpieces, i know they all sound different based on the player, and obviously on their own as well, but i never understood how it worked. Like for example, does a Bach 3c have a shallow cup? A “dark” sound? How do you figure out these specifications?
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:02 am Post subject: |
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Wadey_W wrote: | Those are all some good ideas, thanks.
When it comes to mouthpieces, i know they all sound different based on the player, and obviously on their own as well, but i never understood how it worked. Like for example, does a Bach 3c have a shallow cup? A “dark” sound? How do you figure out these specifications?
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Here's a place to start understanding the basics.
https://www.bachbrass.com/application/files/4614/8521/7763/AV2BA901_Original_1889_web.pdf
If you want to compare a number of different makers and models look here.
http://kanstul.com/MPcompare/MouthpieceComparator.html _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
Bach Strad 180ML43*/43 Bb/Yamaha 731 Flugel/Benge 1X C/Kanstul 920 Picc/Conn 80A Cornet
Bach 3C rim on 1.5C underpart |
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Andy Del Heavyweight Member
Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Posts: 2669 Location: sunny Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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As others have said, there is zero need to have a 'jazz' mouthpiece (or marching band, concert band, etc.)
Pick one, just ONE, mouthpiece and play on it. Put everything else in a drawer and leave them there. You wll be far better off if you do.
cheers
Andy _________________ so many horns, so few good notes... |
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