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tyler.slamkowski Veteran Member
Joined: 03 Jun 2017 Posts: 105 Location: Muskegon, MI
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:43 pm Post subject: British Cornet MP: Pickett or Wick |
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Any opinions on Denis Wick vs. Pickett Brass for traditional British V-cup cornet mouthpieces? I play Pickett on my trumpets and like them a lot. Just curious if Pickett actually knows how to make a cornet mp as well or if I should just stick with the tried & true Denis Wick. Thanks! |
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mattdalton Veteran Member
Joined: 07 Jun 2004 Posts: 463 Location: Newcastle, Washington USA
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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I find the Pickett British cups to be outstanding - very characteristic brass band sound with far better playability (response, overall intonation, etc.) than Wick. Wick cornet pieces have not worked for me other than their soprano mouthpiece, so I may not be the best person to compare. But if you already know the Pickett rim works for you, it makes the Pickett British mouthpiece a very safe choice. _________________ Matt Dalton |
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tyler.slamkowski Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2022 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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mattdalton wrote: | I find the Pickett British cups to be outstanding - very characteristic brass band sound with far better playability (response, overall intonation, etc.) than Wick. Wick cornet pieces have not worked for me other than their soprano mouthpiece, so I may not be the best person to compare. But if you already know the Pickett rim works for you, it makes the Pickett British mouthpiece a very safe choice. |
Thank you for your thoughts! That was very straightforward and helpful. |
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Justin_Smith Veteran Member
Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 212 Location: Oakland, CA
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2023 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: British Cornet MP: Pickett or Wick |
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tyler.slamkowski wrote: | Any opinions on Denis Wick vs. Pickett Brass for traditional British V-cup cornet mouthpieces? I play Pickett on my trumpets and like them a lot. Just curious if Pickett actually knows how to make a cornet mp as well or if I should just stick with the tried & true Denis Wick. Thanks! |
I use a Pickett 1.25 British Ned most of the cornet players in our brass band are using that mouthpiece. I prefer it to a wick. I also have a Yamaha David King mouthpiece I like. It feels similar to a wick 4 size but plays great for me too.
Justin Smith🎺 _________________ Justin J. Smith |
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Andy Del Heavyweight Member
Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Posts: 2669 Location: sunny Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:38 am Post subject: |
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Get the Pickett. It’s no contest, a great mouthpiece maker v. Well, who the hell knows? There is so much not right about Wick mouthpieces there is no time to cover it all.
FWIW, I have only 1 Pickett mpc, and it’s great. When in a co petting brass band years ago, and we all had to play Wick mpcs, I had no end of trouble finding one that worked… some of us had other mouthpieces skeletonised so they looked like a Wick, but was in reality another mpc altogether. _________________ so many horns, so few good notes... |
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GordonH Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Nov 2002 Posts: 2894 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:27 am Post subject: |
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I am currently playing a Warburton BC series mouthpiece. Due to a lip/facial injury. it was the easiest way to get a very big mouthpiece. Throat is small, but with the right backbore it balances nicely.
PS: The reason the throats are so big on the wicks is to raise the pitch, the low pitch being caused by the very deep cups. I think that's why they often feel unstable. They are out of balance in themselves and rely on being in the right instrument to get the balance right. _________________ Bb - Scherzer 8218W, Schilke S22, Bach 43, Selmer 19A Balanced
Pic - Weril
Flugel - Courtois 154
Cornet - Geneva Heritage, Conn 28A
Mouthpieces - Monette 1-5 rims and similar.
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Andy Del Heavyweight Member
Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Posts: 2669 Location: sunny Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:47 am Post subject: |
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GordonH wrote: | PS: The reason the throats are so big on the wicks is to raise the pitch, the low pitch being caused by the very deep cups. I think that's why they often feel unstable. They are out of balance in themselves and rely on being in the right instrument to get the balance right. |
Well said, Sir!
May your fishing trips be full of catch and your lovely Wick sinkers never be lost on snags… (I do admit to seeding wreck with them) _________________ so many horns, so few good notes... |
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BudBix Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:58 am Post subject: |
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I have Wick and Pickett British Cup mouthpieces. The Pickett gets the right sound with much easier playability. |
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Richard III Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 May 2007 Posts: 2671 Location: Anacortes, WA
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:46 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | PS: The reason the throats are so big on the wicks is to raise the pitch, the low pitch being caused by the very deep cups. I think that's why they often feel unstable. They are out of balance in themselves and rely on being in the right instrument to get the balance right. |
Interesting observation. I was playing my York Eminence cornet yesterday using either a Wick 2 or Wick 2B. Both work extremely well in the horn. Other mouthpieces not so much, either due to intonation issues or just general stuffiness. The Wick mouthpieces have been the answer for many people over the years playing BBB style cornets that I've known. Were the horns designed for the mouthpieces or the mouthpieces designed for the horns? _________________ Richard
Today's Trumpet: 1937 Cleveland Toreador
Today's Cornet: York Eminence
Today's Mouthpieces: Cleveland T and C |
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JohnO Regular Member
Joined: 27 Aug 2014 Posts: 24 Location: Milwaukee, WI
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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Sort of related, I play a trumpet Pickett 3C. I will be playing more cornet, so is ordering the cornet 3C a pretty safe bet? Cornet is a Yamaha 6330 used in a large wind ensemble and not a BBB. Thanks. |
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mattdalton Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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While you don't need to play a British cup in a wind ensemble, I would vote for something deeper than a C cup so that the cornet part will sound different than the trumpets.
Having the same rim with a bit deeper cup would still be a safe bet. I don't have experience with the non-British Pickett cornet cups to advise you as to exactly which cup, but perhaps others can chime in on that. _________________ Matt Dalton |
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JohnO Regular Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks, Matt. That was helpful. |
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iiipopes Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:52 am Post subject: |
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Don't forget the Curry BBC. _________________ King Super 20 Trumpet; Sov 921 Cornet
Bach cornet modded to be a 181L clone
Couesnon Flugelhorn and C trumpet |
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tyler.slamkowski Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:24 am Post subject: |
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Quick note for everyone: I ended up getting a Pickett 3 and have really enjoyed playing it. The rim is comfortable. I prefer it to the Denis Wick 4 that I tried.
That being said, I am going to test the medium shallow option when I am in Lexington at the end of the month so I have a little more support in the upper register (I use my cornet for small group jazz occasionally). |
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mattdalton Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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Glad to hear it is working well for you, Tyler. _________________ Matt Dalton |
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