Carol brass CTR-5000L-YLT-Bb-L

Dizzyr1971 · Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 4:03 pm Post subject: Carol brass CTR-5000L-YLT-Bb-L

Has anyone played a Carol brass CTR-5000L-YLT-Bb-L? What's the difference between the YLT and the YST? They list as pro instruments, do they hold there weight compared to the big brands, like Yamaha and Bach?
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BGinNJ · Veteran Member Joined: 02 Mar 2010 Posts: 381

I've had the YLT for over 10 years now. Hard to believe it's been that long. It's a fine horn. Lightweight, so it doesn't have the heft of a typical Bach Strad. It has a bright sound, probably closest to a Yamaha Shew, but I like the Carol better. Amazingly, they're still a bargain.

JeffM729 · Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 5:00 pm Post subject:

The difference between the YLT has a Bach 72 type bell and the YST is a 37 bell.

I own the YLT in silver and a Bach 72* which is a similar type horn but without the reversed leadpipe. The CarolBrass is a great value and I’ve played lead on it, but my Bach is a superior trumpet.

If price is an issue, you would be hard pressed to find a better trumpet in that price range.

Dizzyr1971 · Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 11:36 pm Post subject:

Am I right in thinking that the YST 37 type bell would better for jazz and big band playing?
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Olds Super 1946
Olds Super 1965
Bach Strad 37 1982
Conn Vocabell Conquerer-40B 1934
Couesnon Flugelhorn

BreakFromTheHerd · Veteran Member Joined: 12 Apr 2022 Posts: 147

I've owned a 5000L-YLT in silverplate and a 5000L-YST in lacquer.

Construction on both was excellent, but ...

The pre-polish on the silverplated horn wasn't well done. I could see a lot of scratches on the bell under the plating. Silver polish didn't touch them. That's how I knew they were on the brass.

The sound of both horns was decent. The YST was tight above the staff with the D tuning slide - very tiny slots. Some players like that. The YLT was looser, but it took a lot more air (as expected).

At their price point, they're great. But my Bach 43 plays better and sounds better. (I'm not a Bach fanboy; I'm just calling it the way I feel it and hear it.)

For big band playing I would lean toward the YST, but the YLT could do it also.

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Brassnose · Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 8:58 pm Post subject:

I have been interested in Carol Brass for a long time but over here people seem to hold on to them and the used market is in fact really small. One thing that I did notice on some of those used horns in quite some of the ads is suspicious speckles on the leadpipe (and other places like tuning slide or even the bell bow) indicating red rot.

What is your overall experience, particularly with the two horns under question here, 5000L YST and YLT: do you experience red rot formation in fairly new horns with normal maintenance?
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BRM2 · Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 11:15 pm Post subject:

I have experience with both horns. The YLT definitely felt more open to me. I preferred the YST and can create a more open feel using the more rounded tuning slide. I bought my YST horn back in 2012 for $700. Got it off of TrumpetHerald. I liked it because it was lightweight and it played how I wanted the newer Shew horns to play. I am not saying that it was better then the Bach or Yamaha horns I had available, it was just easier to play for very taxing performances like long traditional jazz performances. I sold several great horns to get my current Van Laar horn. I kept my YST over all of my other horns.

Oddly enough, my horn did develop a little red rot on the lead pipe. I don't regret the purchase though.

I would highly recommend that someone give these horns a try if they have an opportunity.
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Brent · Posted: Mon May 13, 2024 7:05 am Post subject: Carol

Another Carol model that might be worth your consideration is the 5060L-GLT. It has the reverse tuning slide set up as well, but with a sterling silver lead pipe and a large taper lightweight bell in gold brass. There's differing opinions on the sterling silver lead pipe, but I think it's considerably more responsive than the standard.
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JeffM729 · Posted: Mon May 13, 2024 6:50 pm Post subject:

I should mention that the CarolBrass G-Bb trumpet is the 5000L-YLT with two sets of slides, one for G and the Bb. There are 4 slides for each key.

I use mine in G for an alumni drum corps.

Dizzyr1971 · Posted: Fri May 17, 2024 2:03 am Post subject:

I've ordered the 5060L YST Bb L, I'll let you all know how it plays when I've tried it out

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I'm an advanced amateur trumpet player, I started studying jazz and improvisation in 2010, follower of Barry Harris
Olds Super 1946
Olds Super 1965
Bach Strad 37 1982
Conn Vocabell Conquerer-40B 1934
Couesnon Flugelhorn