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cornetguy Regular Member
Joined: 03 Oct 2005 Posts: 41 Location: St. Paul, MN
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:02 am Post subject: pedel tone problem |
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i like the stamp studies, but i find when i do them the amount of pedel tones distort my embouchure and i wind up having playing problems. what am i doing wrong with the pedel tones
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airdyn Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Posts: 579
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:40 am Post subject: Re: pedel tone problem |
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cornetguy wrote: | i like the stamp studies, but i find when i do them the amount of pedel tones distort my embouchure and i wind up having playing problems. what am i doing wrong with the pedel tones
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You may wish to pose this question in The Reinhardt Forum. Dr. Reinhardt was VIOLENTLY opposed to pedal tones. Go there and find out why.
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mafields627 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 09 Nov 2001 Posts: 3782 Location: AL
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:47 am Post subject: |
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I'm not familiar with the Stamp method, but coming from a Balanced Embouchure approach, the pedal tones need to be balanced with notes which require the lips to roll in (as opposed to having them roll out with pedal tones). Also, I've found that pedal tones benefit me the best when I do them very last in my practice. _________________ --Matt--
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Jansu Veteran Member
Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 449 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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I find that pedal tones center my embouchure, as in they help me find where the best sound/response is. It's hard to analyze what you are doing wrong. Are you playing the exercises correctly, and are you playing the pedals with the same set as in the 'normal' range of the horn. Ask a teacher in your area who is into pedals... _________________ Yamaha 6310Z - 14B4
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BStrad43 Veteran Member
Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 294 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.livmusic.com/index.html
Check out his articles on "Stamping it Out". I have been messing around with this for about a month and it has made me aware of my chops and taught me to play more efficient. The goal is to keep a set face when playing in all the registers. Good luck.
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swthiel Heavyweight Member
Joined: 02 Apr 2005 Posts: 3967 Location: Cincinnati, OH
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:28 am Post subject: |
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cornetguy,
I'd suggest you make sure that you're doing the pedal notes correctly -- a teacher (who can hear and see what you're doing) should be able to help you with this. That said, here are a few comments.
I initially found it a LOT easier to play pedal tones incorrectly than to play them correctly. Make sure that you are not distorting your embouchure as you go into the pedal range (see Jansu's comment above). One of the big benefits I get from the Stamp I use is that my entire playing range is connected -- what I learned in connecting the pedal range to the normal range seems to have transferred to connecting my mid-range to my high range (such as it is).
I like the "Stamping It Out" discussion to which BStrad43 linked, and the Poper book (I finally got a copy!) also has some good clarification of the approach.
mafields627,
Many of the Stamp exercise start in low- to mid-register, descend down to the pedal range, and in many cases go gradually to the upper end of one's register. By the end of some exercises, I'll start at a low C, descend to the pedal C below that, and then go up to a C or E above the staff -- with a single set. (Yeah, I don't have a super range ...) I don't think about roll in and roll out, but I'm guessing that exercises like this accomplish the balance you're talking about. _________________ Steve Thiel |
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MrGBand Veteran Member
Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 313 Location: Gilbertsville, PA
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 7:29 am Post subject: |
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One thing to watch out for with the pedal exercises is the jaw. Make sure you are not playing the pedal tones by openning your jaw up more than normal. I believe Popper suggest that the only movement the jaw should make is a slight push foward. _________________ Bb Yamaha YTR 8335R 20th Anniversary
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