• FAQ  • Search  • Memberlist  • Usergroups   • Register   • Profile  • Log in to check your private messages  • Log in 

German Cornett from year 1910 -( 114 Years old)



 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    trumpetherald.com Forum Index -> Cornet/Flügelhorn
View previous topic :: View next topic  

Do you know this Model
Yes
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
No
100%
 100%  [ 5 ]
Total Votes : 5

Author Message
Jim Galakti
Regular Member


Joined: 07 May 2018
Posts: 20

PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2024 5:24 am    Post subject: German Cornett from year 1910 -( 114 Years old) Reply with quote

I found this cornet at a flea market and bought it from a colleague for $120. It has beautiful decorations, even on the keys, which amazed me. The sound is simply fantastic, and the intonation isn't bad either. I'll use it to play outside and record some stuff. Subscribe to my channel and give me a thumbs up. I'll upload many more trumpet videos and try to inspire you to practice more and invest more time in playing the trumpet.

https://t.me/trumpet_life


Testing Cornett from 1910 live🤩✅
https://youtube.com/live/HYKlmxbvP_A?feature=share[/img][youtube][/youtube]
_________________
Martin Committee Red Deluxe
https://Www.jimgalakti.com
https://www.youtube.com/@trumpethacker
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
luckej
Regular Member


Joined: 28 Jun 2019
Posts: 36

PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2024 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The wrap, 3-pin valve guides and wishbone waterkeys are pretty distinctive, you might get more responses if you post the pics here.

Engraving is beautiful! I've run across similar designs on the keys of German rotary cornets, etc--I'll see if I can find them again. Can you read the engraving on the bell?

Lovely old horn, nice playing!
_________________
1971 Yamaconn cornet (my comeback horn)
Reynolds Argenta
Reynolds Professional
Markneukirchen Fürst Pless
…too many others to list...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Rhondo
Veteran Member


Joined: 22 Oct 2021
Posts: 276

PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2024 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice video. Great playing!

Thanks for posting! : )
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
OldSchoolEuph
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 07 Apr 2012
Posts: 2458

PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2024 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am curious how you dated this to 1910? It looks more 1890-ish to me. By 1910, fixed leadpipes were the norm.

All of the elements of construction appear from the outside to correspond to Bohland & Fuchs - including the numerical markings on the valve casings. Bohland built many models. The Arban style cornets like this were made by them for stencil by a variety of retailers late 1870s-mid-1890s. The engraving details I have seen on other B+F horns are similar, and they did offer to do the bulk of the engraving and just leave a large blank area for the retailer to put their name in - which is what this engraving looks like.

What is unusual is the 3-leg valve guides. Bohland & Fuchs used primarily external-spring systems with guides more like those seen on F.E. Olds horns. However, H.N. White based his first cornets, in part, on what he had learned stencilling B+F horns for McMillin and then himself, and his first cornets at the end of the 1890s used the same 3-leg guides.

My guess, without being able to see the horn in person or in focus enough to read the markings, would be a stencil Bohland & Fuchs cornet from the 1890s.
_________________
Ron Berndt
www.trumpet-history.com

2017 Austin Winds Stage 466
1962 Mt. Vernon Bach 43
1954 Holton 49 Stratodyne
1927 Conn 22B
1957 Holton 27 cornet
1985 Yamaha YEP-621
1975 Yamaha YEP-321 Custom
1965 Besson Baritone
1975 Olds Recording R-20


Last edited by OldSchoolEuph on Thu May 09, 2024 11:56 am; edited 3 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
OldSchoolEuph
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 07 Apr 2012
Posts: 2458

PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2024 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone else besides me noticing the site hanging and not responding indefinitely?
_________________
Ron Berndt
www.trumpet-history.com

2017 Austin Winds Stage 466
1962 Mt. Vernon Bach 43
1954 Holton 49 Stratodyne
1927 Conn 22B
1957 Holton 27 cornet
1985 Yamaha YEP-621
1975 Yamaha YEP-321 Custom
1965 Besson Baritone
1975 Olds Recording R-20
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Jim Galakti
Regular Member


Joined: 07 May 2018
Posts: 20

PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2024 3:30 am    Post subject: Testing Cornett from 1910 Reply with quote

luckej wrote:
The wrap, 3-pin valve guides and wishbone waterkeys are pretty distinctive, you might get more responses if you post the pics here.

Engraving is beautiful! I've run across similar designs on the keys of German rotary cornets, etc--I'll see if I can find them again. Can you read the engraving on the bell?

Lovely old horn, nice playing!



Hello People, Thanks for watching
on the Bell engraved:

E.Hadtstein
Homberg am Rhein
1910
Photos hier:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/632nfyyljfm0xbp1uezxs/AMcJmhD23hjDnYttDHj0ihI?rlkey=p4co0s3f5gu60agkfir01yyhh&st=3iusjoql&dl=0
_________________
Martin Committee Red Deluxe
https://Www.jimgalakti.com
https://www.youtube.com/@trumpethacker
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Jim Galakti
Regular Member


Joined: 07 May 2018
Posts: 20

PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2024 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rhondo wrote:
Nice video. Great playing!

Thanks for posting! : )


Thank you Rhondo
_________________
Martin Committee Red Deluxe
https://Www.jimgalakti.com
https://www.youtube.com/@trumpethacker
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
OldSchoolEuph
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 07 Apr 2012
Posts: 2458

PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2024 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Verlag Emil Hadtstein was a German publisher, mostly of things like directories, flyers, etc. - but also postcards and other touristy materials. It operated from the late 1990s until the latest I could find was 1934.

This is either evidence that the business had branched out into selling stencil instruments as a sideline, or that the publisher himself was a cornet player and this was presented to him. Without the year, the first would be more likely, but dating the inscription makes presentation more likely.
_________________
Ron Berndt
www.trumpet-history.com

2017 Austin Winds Stage 466
1962 Mt. Vernon Bach 43
1954 Holton 49 Stratodyne
1927 Conn 22B
1957 Holton 27 cornet
1985 Yamaha YEP-621
1975 Yamaha YEP-321 Custom
1965 Besson Baritone
1975 Olds Recording R-20
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
barryj1
Veteran Member


Joined: 12 Nov 2001
Posts: 409
Location: Attleboro, MA

PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2024 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonderful video and a great sounding horn! I can't believe a cornet that old could sound so good and play in tune. Thanks for sharing your new find with the rest of us.

Barry
_________________
Getzen 800DLX cornet
Flip Oaks 1X mouthpiece
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Halflip
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 09 Jan 2003
Posts: 1969
Location: WI

PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2024 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

luckej wrote:
The wrap, 3-pin valve guides and wishbone waterkeys are pretty distinctive . . .

Lovely old horn, nice playing!

+1

My 1930's Buescher flugelhorn has 3-pin valve guides like that.
_________________
"He that plays the King shall be welcome . . . " (Hamlet Act II, Scene 2, Line 1416)

"He had no concept of the instrument. He was blowing into it." -- Virgil Starkwell's cello teacher in "Take the Money and Run"
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    trumpetherald.com Forum Index -> Cornet/Flügelhorn All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group