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Jim Galakti Regular Member
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luckej Regular Member
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2024 9:10 am Post subject: |
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The wrap, 3-pin valve guides and wishbone waterkeys are pretty distinctive, you might get more responses if you post the pics here.
Engraving is beautiful! I've run across similar designs on the keys of German rotary cornets, etc--I'll see if I can find them again. Can you read the engraving on the bell?
Lovely old horn, nice playing! _________________ 1971 Yamaconn cornet (my comeback horn)
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Rhondo Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2024 9:58 am Post subject: |
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Nice video. Great playing!
Thanks for posting! : ) |
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OldSchoolEuph Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2024 11:49 am Post subject: |
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I am curious how you dated this to 1910? It looks more 1890-ish to me. By 1910, fixed leadpipes were the norm.
All of the elements of construction appear from the outside to correspond to Bohland & Fuchs - including the numerical markings on the valve casings. Bohland built many models. The Arban style cornets like this were made by them for stencil by a variety of retailers late 1870s-mid-1890s. The engraving details I have seen on other B+F horns are similar, and they did offer to do the bulk of the engraving and just leave a large blank area for the retailer to put their name in - which is what this engraving looks like.
What is unusual is the 3-leg valve guides. Bohland & Fuchs used primarily external-spring systems with guides more like those seen on F.E. Olds horns. However, H.N. White based his first cornets, in part, on what he had learned stencilling B+F horns for McMillin and then himself, and his first cornets at the end of the 1890s used the same 3-leg guides.
My guess, without being able to see the horn in person or in focus enough to read the markings, would be a stencil Bohland & Fuchs cornet from the 1890s. _________________ Ron Berndt
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1927 Conn 22B
1957 Holton 27 cornet
1985 Yamaha YEP-621
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OldSchoolEuph Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2024 11:52 am Post subject: |
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Anyone else besides me noticing the site hanging and not responding indefinitely? _________________ Ron Berndt
www.trumpet-history.com
2017 Austin Winds Stage 466
1962 Mt. Vernon Bach 43
1954 Holton 49 Stratodyne
1927 Conn 22B
1957 Holton 27 cornet
1985 Yamaha YEP-621
1975 Yamaha YEP-321 Custom
1965 Besson Baritone
1975 Olds Recording R-20 |
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Jim Galakti Regular Member
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OldSchoolEuph Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 8:18 am Post subject: |
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Verlag Emil Hadtstein was a German publisher, mostly of things like directories, flyers, etc. - but also postcards and other touristy materials. It operated from the late 1990s until the latest I could find was 1934.
This is either evidence that the business had branched out into selling stencil instruments as a sideline, or that the publisher himself was a cornet player and this was presented to him. Without the year, the first would be more likely, but dating the inscription makes presentation more likely. _________________ Ron Berndt
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2017 Austin Winds Stage 466
1962 Mt. Vernon Bach 43
1954 Holton 49 Stratodyne
1927 Conn 22B
1957 Holton 27 cornet
1985 Yamaha YEP-621
1975 Yamaha YEP-321 Custom
1965 Besson Baritone
1975 Olds Recording R-20 |
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barryj1 Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 8:54 am Post subject: |
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Wonderful video and a great sounding horn! I can't believe a cornet that old could sound so good and play in tune. Thanks for sharing your new find with the rest of us.
Barry _________________ Getzen 800DLX cornet
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Halflip Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 11:42 am Post subject: |
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luckej wrote: | The wrap, 3-pin valve guides and wishbone waterkeys are pretty distinctive . . .
Lovely old horn, nice playing! |
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My 1930's Buescher flugelhorn has 3-pin valve guides like that. _________________ "He that plays the King shall be welcome . . . " (Hamlet Act II, Scene 2, Line 1416)
"He had no concept of the instrument. He was blowing into it." -- Virgil Starkwell's cello teacher in "Take the Money and Run" |
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